Podcast #11: Alexandre Poulin de Gayonica spécialiste en Hashish et Edible

Podcast avec Alexandre Poulin de Gayonica ( Jublee – Chili Kush )
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it wasn’t like direct respect I arrived my dradeur then I made him drink but put it m not how is it what the noises that must be made shoot how for I made shoot more that for put sun that nothing would not lie it’ was it was a little difficult but I arrive there then there an old man who we met a few times who looks at me that fa his Dr maybe a little a little intense but comes to see me touches my dromur then ASI of then I take advantage of it by I take out my big block of ha a joint already rolled by I light it I look at it in the eyes then I give my joint of ha there he looks takes my takes P gives me back I ch P kif by that the kif is our thingab that we smoke a lot in an Olivier box we sit down we don’t talk we don’t exchange a word we smoke we smoke like that he gets up he takes my dromod by by pe a ring in his nose with a rope then he goes without saying it was at that moment that I was accepted in the IDI region it’s called this by these groups then I was blocked from tribe for a certain time I I crossed Saara for several months with this tribe, it’s the chick who allowed me to do that, it’s important because the story is fun, you know, but above all it’s the key to entering this story there CIT my dear that I brought from the North you know hello everyone 420 2024 big podcast today to celebrate that I have the chance to introduce you to someone who I think you will love discovering one for his background life his experiences the stories he has to tell us the knowledge also who will be able to share with us finally also I have the chance to be on site at his house to shoot this we are not via discord just in connection via screen we try to upgrade our podcast game I hope you enjoy thank you very much for your support thank you to everyone who subscribes to my youtube channel thank you for leaving me thumbs and comments you know how cannabis content works it’s very hard in the algorithms so when you share when you leave comments it helps me a lot more than you think so without further ado I present to you our guest today who is not only someone who is part of by pardon for a long time from the cannabis community in Quebec and even I would say elsewhere in the world you will learn why someone who has traveled precisely who has baggage to tell us then someone who is also now part of the industry legal cannabis and who has great positions to explain to us a little how it works what is happening what is happening what is coming also Alexandre Poulin cfounder of gayonica and who has also many others how to say hat and posts to your bow it’s not not in a single expression but in short I think you are the best to introduce yourself then say the different posts/ash work that you do in the industry all actually but first thank you very much for having me today I find it a pleasure to welcome you to my home but to receive me on V podcast it’s really a pleasure to be able to discuss cannabis and discuss our respective passions also me in fact I am vice-president of innovation at gayanica I am a founder but also I work as a lobbyist in Quebec to try to push precisely to define what is cannabis how we are going to articulate it in the coming years how we currently articulates it and at the federal level I also act at the lobbyist level but more for the Canadian Tourism Alliance where I work as what we call the research chair so I am in charge of everything that projects research data to help bring us towards what we will call cannabis 4.0 one day 4.0 thank you everyone for listening to the podcast now know that I really appreciate it if you can give me a little thumbs up leave a comment under the video don’t hesitate to subscribe to my twitch channel also to be able to watch it live when it happens live one of the best ways to encourage me and then to encourage my content is to subscribe to Mendo cannabis you can do it it’s free member at Mendo it’s for everyone people at the end of the thread are here to help you have access to a catalog of 100% legal products approved by Health Canada no limit of 30% THC vapes des bourles with chocolate in short do not hesitate to use the links which will be in my description then in the comments under the video also back to your main program 4.0 it is an articulation to say a way of consuming a way a vehicle also of bringing it just to go back a little for people who have no qu who are currently arriving in the podcast me personally the first time I met alexand to explain to you it was during a cannabis exhibition where he was behind his counter juoubl one of the brands one of the brands that gayonica owns and he was like you you have currently seen a very handsome man, well placed, well posed and who what is what has marked me recently because we had the chance to talk together a little more is just my first impression from Alex it was it was someone of how to say a I’ll say it like that yes an opportunist from another industry who arrived in the cannabis industry without any knowledge without any background on the plant that we all love but during the kind of knowing that we are together I had the chance to discover just a little bit about your story your background and all that I don’t have to reveal anything punchy but I would like a lot that you tell us about your youth how you were introduced to cannabis everything you did in passing also I explain the concept to you a little people you may have noticed but we currently have a leader behind who it is from goldorac that you have already seen in my community but who makes Chalis together we make DIN andb together as we have a lot of B to test today consumable products golderac is preparing for us a 4th service we are going to have right to a drink as well as three dishes to taste in the background which are made with the products that Alex currently has on the legal market in Canada small parenthesis finished can you tell me your story your youth your initiation to cannabis then what makes you so passionate about it now and then you do what you do today but it still started quite early in my adolescence I was how to say I used cannabis for the first time in the form of a hash then when I tasted that when I felt this effect it allowed me to discover a Better version of myself I was a little guy who was very shy very awward I had difficulty interacting with people I was in my head a lot and all that cannabis when when I was able to consume the first time I felt good I felt better I felt more at home not necessarily when I used directly even the effect subsequently which had on how to say on my week after having consumed it say on a Monday evening which triggers my consumption a little at that time on the other hand like many young people at that time I can not pay for it so I decided to start selling cannabis so we sold a little of it to be able to consume it for free to be able to use this medicine that I had discovered which me helped a lot that it has always been part of my life from that moment on I have always sold a little cannabis I have always consumed cannabis in various forms then being keen on cooking also I am very passionate about cooking my first career it’s like a chef you know I studied cooking I had the chance to work a lot with what we call molecular somellerie molecular cuisine also where we will match aromatic molecules aromatics with a brew with a meal and it is this baggage when I started to get a little more into cannabis I believed I saw I saw corollaries then it really allowed me to explain it to myself better then to start formulating it very early in my life I I started to formulate cannabis also for commercial Fas but for medicinal Fas too but let’s start because it interests us in experience I think in what we would call the Legacy market you really started selling cannabis products before that it is legal of course you explain to me that you even I think supported your family a little with that for a certain time yeah but it has always been you know I would even tell you at the economic level both at the economic level at the medicinal level the cannabis has always been there for my family always been there for my loved ones I was raised by mainly by very strong women know a mother who who strug all her life to try to bring us everything what are we mainly for do everything – what I do today and and you know by really seeing this world a little I saw cannabis as being a mix for them in a certain sense in terms of their daily pain chronic pain too but also as a t economical interesting because you’re not after having reached free consumption well I saw that it could make me money that’s what paid for my studies I won’t hide it from anyone either I’m very proud to talk about it today today because inevitably it is these actions a little bit activist a little bit civil desbens which made it possible to define what is cannabis today because the Legacy market I carry it within me today of all kinds in a traditional way through my travels in a way it’s a little bit of the hustling that we’ve lived you know all our lives hiding behind containers to sell the medicine that makes us feel good you know I’m grateful ‘being today talking about it I for that I am very transparent about it no dose of shame ok at all then you know there are several levels we are going to go very today we have already mentioned the word molecular then all that but just at the base just tell us in concrete terms what were you selling do you remember the strrains do you remember the products do you remember the dynamic that it was before everything is legal yes CIT a dynamic that was different we saw the start you know that we didn’t necessarily have genetics we had we had cannabis we had good we had to we had to out we had to we had no diversity then I saw this birth there arrived you know of diversification we had bubble gum we started to have Purple Cush there I saw it starting to happen then we were trading the import chickpea that’s what ‘we traded we had gatino with the Lebanese community very present after the civil war we traded red Lebanese we traded Moroccan sometimes Jamaican cream CIT really from the ST which came from these countries directly it was import to which arrived from port of Montreal which was transited by criminal groups and which finally arrived in the hands of the various resellers as we saw VO again today and it is still very present especially in Quebec the gray market black market and we mainly sold chickpeas like that but I quickly noticed that it was very expensive to import and then my curiosity really led me to say how we do that. I started making it quite early then I I was able to break my prices a little with that too then put a little more in my pockets by doing it myself in my mother’s garage too who who who who who saw that which also actually allowed me to d ‘go into my paions then push a little further the medicinal aspect of the thing then the understanding you know when we talk about making ha making ha sorry because I have a lot of fans of making ha myself -even currently I am in the process of growing it to make some we want to make de la Rosine also at the time when you tell me in your mother’s garage what was the setup just that we had a visual idea we were doing dry shift but we were also doing what was the beginning of bubble it was not bubble did not exist at that time we literally split sleeping bags which we tore to take the kind of fiber which was of particular micron size so I don’t remember exactly the unit and C size kind of of FIB filt there soft allowed us to wash the cannabis in cold water so we already knew that at that time it was already done it’s the internet had nevertheless already been a medium of communication for these shady circles there and done I was doing bubble I dried my bubble in clean pizza boxes of course because CIT was designed to keep the humidity out made on a paper by path we placed our bubble l which was obviously richer by contaminating it now with the bubbleman bags then hhtech could really have a sleeping bag thing inside you like different layers in its sleeping bag for reasons thermal insulation of air creation precisely business feathers some of its really survival bedding these things really make the difference this kind of wick there ser what micron approximately I think we were going to go out anyway a lot it was big there we were going out done yeah I imagine I don’t want to B by too far Guess RE6 u maybe its I imagine we have a shot that we for cheer just now have people in the chat V the podcast who have exactly this experience there also who know exactly the kind of mesche that you used yeah it’s enough to do it pu that we did DFT also don get me wrong we did we did dry sieving using the Moroccan method the Lebanese method because we had the chance in gatino precisely to have this contact with populations who lived as civil gar who had to immigrate to Canada precisely then who brought with them this wealth of understanding of H that we did not necessarily have, we imported H but we did not have the knowledge me it’s this know-how there you know I haven’t I haven’t decided to buy a sleeping bag to tear it’s someone who told me know by someone who did it pu these CIT people people who had ancestral know-how which were directly ingrained in traditions several thousand years old, you know, it was just an adon it’s an adon that I had chames at school who were Lebanese then who were quite generous with their time then to see my passion then my curiosity to ask questions to their Monon then so on to give me a little bit of knowledge which provided fertile ground for what was to come subsequently Nice Nice Nice then just a question because I someone in the chat asks the question it’s a good it’s a good question we have a lot of Europeans in my community uh France la la Belgium unfortunately it’s still illegal there but they are much closer to all these hash producing countries. Isn’t it a little more expensive for us in Quebec in Canada, more complicated to import that than for Europe is always a quantitative question in Quebec in fact we had the cheaper H from Canada because we arrived from the port of Montreal CIT not by plane it was by boat that happened frequently and then still today I think that’s not bad the case no longer really pouring into C in these areas but uh how can I say in Canada Quebec was the cheapest in Europe actually we’re going to have it cheaper because the proximity is there too afterwards I imagine that it will be a question of in which criminal group and so on I know little about the European underworld market on the other hand although I was able to consume good Moroccan h in Portugal when I was there this fall last one which was it was fantastic I was able to taste meats that I hadn’t tasted since my adolescence also you know then but but the goal of the exercise today is to try to reproduce a little these ancestral methods of using this knowledge, this generosity, to bring it today because we now have all the genetics and this knowledge to do it not that one day the global market will not allow me to import cannabis how to say Lebanese red hashish from the Bea Valley I hope that it will be legal one day to do it because I would like to sell it again çachich it would make me very happy to do it but until then we are going to do it at home you clearly clearly me the anecdote the only one that I have at the time where does people were importing Lebanese products, he’s a friend, I don’t want to really focus the story on that, I want us to switch to your travels, precisely a friend who had taken a trip if I remember correctly in India or in these countries since he had brought back some hashish but he ingested the little pastilles the olives which we call precisely then he arrives at my house the prayer thing that he asks me is tuur little plastic pot that you could lend me well he’ll go to the bathroom with his gloves then recover what was imported I suppose it’s not all this not the same technique that you used at the time but is it that it was your Lebanese friends who brought you travel opportunities because here I am SPO to you but I know a little about the story of Alex who traveled what is it that ‘amen to travel in relation to cannabis in fact I was being raised in a family mainly by a mother know who was who struggled we didn’t have the chance to travel I was never able to travel when I was a child then I I saw I was very curious I was a big reader I always read a lot of books then the world the Arab Muslim world fascinated me a lot even before having this contact with my Lebanese friends and I read a lot about it what was C this East that we call the age of Islam a certain moment which fascinated me a lot then I had always said to myself that a good moment given I was to take the plane I was to go to Morocco I was to go see first hand what with my eyes how to say what it was then that’s what it really is then yes indeed to meet friends who came from elsewhere really appeal to me stimulate to stimulate my curiosity to go and see a little further Morocco was chosen because I had read a lot about the migration of cannabis from the Arabian peninsula to Morocco by who and by what and how it got there then I always wanted to experience this I always wanted to see this fact that you know when I left for Morocco I was leaving for 3 weeks at that time I came back 7 months later you know ok ok before you tell us your adventures we’re going to take I think the first service I see goldorac in the background who prepared old fashion for us if I’m not mistaken with one of the first products that we’re going to test from Alex which happens to be an infused honey yeah it’s a spicy honey in fact pu it’s directly linked also you can take it there is just one it’s the red bag red red red uh it’s in fact as you know in Quebec we have a little different legislation for edible cannabis for cannabis in general both in terms of dosages and also ingredients vo-y go ahead vo-y uh and it’s the corant the sugars the honey the maple syrup was not accepted in the first reration of edible cannabis on the other hand we wanted a lot I have a neighbor who makes maudibau honey honey fountain besides gas top it’s a neighbor his céile deton nousutres we established ourselves in a rural area to make cannabis then we went to see who we could collaborate with closest to us then I had a neighbor I have a neighbor who makes beautiful honey then beautiful autumn honey that’s the one we currently have and I I wanted to I wanted to bring that to sqdc I wanted to bring that because honey is a methyine but canabis is a medetiine then the way to bring a sweetener to Quebec was to infuse it with Quebec cayenne pepper and garlic Quebecois then to bring a form of spicy sauce what we call a hot honey or a spicy honey which is very popular on pizza on fried chicken on tacos on many things it was our way a little of to collaborate with the sqdc to suggest that they say that ok indeed the UL cororant we understand that it is attractive for children would you accept it in a spicy formulation this is what arrived as the first hot sauce in Quebec is the one which AC the MI the spicy honey pu once the door is open for the spicy honey we proposed a second spicy sauce which was also great graciously accepted by the besides thank you abanero sauce with pineapples that we are going to test later too we are not too quick on that but can explain to us we are at 5 mg of THC in full in the small bottle maybe seen a little we are going to take close-ups too I will pass you on that sometimes the boys behind in technique that we do close-ups we can’t be up to 10 no in Quebec in fact it’s another of the subtleties that we have in terms of the somewhat insulting legislation of Quebec made in so we adapted the packaging also in the sense that we cannot put more than 5 mg of THC per unit dose in primary packaging what I mean by that is that the dose is a lot of words at the same time it’s just that it’s a it’s the law read a little there you know but to articulate it in fact it’s really only the primary packaging therefore a unit which is individually packaged which it will be in a bag which is the secondary packaging so that is a primary packaging that is a secondary packaging in a primary packaging I could put two small bottles of Canadian however so with alletourc it is preferable to introduce that with a single dose 5 mg more accessible V also a dose is more accessible in terms of price also in terms of cost it is to divide it into two glass bottles also the packaging all that is fine but there is always the possibility maybe one day to see the version of yes in fact we would really like that to bring oh thank you very much goldo W the oil the spicy honey on the golden quarter so if we understand correctly we have an old fashion what is a old fashion already old fashion it’s a candy or a whiskey on ice with a sugar with sea TR drops of sea we put I have a lemon orange wedge then maraschino yes it looks excellent you have taken close-ups of the drink you are going to do some done I’ll pass that on to you also take close-ups of this bottle there avoid here if possible I’m sure it works cheers at home well again this will be our first test of these products but we have several today thank you again Alex derè thank you the technique ah or fa mix it mix it a little because the honey is magnificent this in TER of presentation it is absolutely beautiful I would like you to be able to feel at home because it’s aromatic you can perceive the little Cayen of the sauce it’s that highlights the product but oh yes it smells good s the little woody side also from the autumn MI oh that will loosen my tongue my delicious delicious is that I like to take at the beginning of the evening also ass cise direct like that or I will eat your cherry directly ok you make me say that sea or or that interpretation taken out of context we reminds you that the podcast is also live on Twitch currently if you ever listen to it on Youtube don’t hesitate to join my my Twitch channel I will surely put you the link in video but also in the description if you have any questions I will try some also intercept them in the chat but really don’t hesitate if I ever messed up or anything repost them later thank you to everyone for being there you are a great group by the way we were about to go to Morocco yes that’s my first trip in fact I had never taken a plane ever in my life then I decided to decide to take the plane to Morocco all alone and a good return but my B back finally I didn’t take it in time given that that I discovered a whole world me in the background I was so curious I was curious to see the cannabis that’s obviously where it came from and you really saw yourself as one of the great traditional roots there that when I arrived in Morocco but that how to say I noticed the generosity of the people I noticed how to say the possibilities of travel the the the the depth of a culture which which used precisely an ancestral copier I was able to go and learn I knew how to make chich as mentioned in my mother’s garage at the time but it’s really when I am went to the Moroccan RI for several months so I did Ramadan also for a month typing hashish taking the Moroccan Dr SIF method of typing transforming different genetics different ways of doing that opened up a world of possibilities for me which subsequently guided a decade of travel that took me to the most unusual corners of cannabis whether in the cloud forests of Waka whether in the Philippines the populations of the north of Lon to type from there also it’s This is where I find it really interesting and I want us to be able to go and find the most juicy of all these adventures. I don’t want us to skip it too quickly. firstly also for the level of the lexicon when you talk about a more traditional pharmacology we are talking about a medicine in fact a way of treating problems pain disorders even a little more traditional Mantaux with herbs with things like that yes absolutely in fact it’s really it’s a traditional way which today we can justify it not that it doesn’t necessarily need to be justified but we justify it with science some of these practices so with cannabis the traditional practices this is really what we will really call the use of the land and local knowledge articulated for healing as you have just mentioned that we are talking about traditional chich pharmacology in Morocco a central place a potentially the most central place that I saw in a culture adapted at least from my own experience then just so that we understand well at home because I have I have I have viewers of all levels whatever it is so but it ‘what is the importance of the H precisely is it used for what species in Morocco for what purpose I know that there are several types I think that business in short I will leave you yes it does indeed have several types a very beautiful one story in fact I think that to answer your question with a story it would be it would be from adon when I bring you hashish in the valley of in the valleys of rich ketam particularly which is a valley very well known for many people autistire I imagine for the BIA variety particularly I slept C roof of house I slept C roof of house then I just woke up then with the sun then look at the immensity of the fields of cannabis which several million times etai are on site I realized at one point that he had a pile of ha on the roof of the house of Abdel Kadar who was the chief of the village in which I lived with a transparent TP on it a little bit of know like know AB what is that you know why your h is there it’s deteriorating it’s not going to be good then I didn’t speak berber’ pr still a day haircut before checking what wanted to tell me you know but in the end he told me that it’s the crap we give to people before going to bed at night while eating so he doesn’t wake up at night to urinate it’s a funny phrase to say he was talking to me of CBN frankly he was talking to me about not CBN who was talking about that he’s talking in the background he doesn’t have the knowledge that it is THC which quietly transforms into CBN but from experience through generations of practice by dint of they may have just left a bit of ax which has aged on a roof they found it they realized that that’s to sleep that’s it yeah but that’s the beauty of the essur in humanity know there are businesses we have so much of how to say interaction with our territory through tens of thousands of years that these skills are developing then there is no need today we justify them with molecules all that is fascinating it is really important but these pharmacopoeia there is a wisdom it has a know-how which is not yet equaled today in our Western cannabis knowledge carrment for those at home who are perhaps less aware also because we really want to do education today I think it is important CBN as such it is a minor molecule in cannabis if we want I look to Alex to be sure that I am not saying but basically you know CBD you know THC we could call it the major cannabinoids it there are several minor cannabinoids which exist in cannabis also whose functions and capacities we are a little more ignorant of. We are starting with legalization to discover it more and more. CBN, which I call CB night, is one of the most common molecules. sedatives it helps a lot of people to sleep then so that you understand a little bit the anecdote CBN is produced from THC which degrades if you want which becomes CBN very MOL very sedative the kind of couchlock syndrome that a cannabis can also bring you to be really almost asleep I could compare it to that a little but basically the people of this village had learned by technique that by letting a hash age which at that moment- there was exposed to the sun a little through the tarp and to the oxidation of both at the same time that we will come back to that also the THC degraded became CBN that helped the characters to sleep then to not wake up to go urinate yeah because you know sleep is fundamentally important we know that it is during this time that we regenerate our cells that we have a repair of the different damages that we can have on our bodies you know then all the more important when you get older because cell regeneration takes place more slowly that’s why cannabis for for how to say a geriatric aid an aid for older patients it’s a it’s a mix for true you know we can change a lot of life with that then it’s me that’s the first time I saw C change of life there I saw because the old men of the Rif the older people in the Rif were how to say it was happy he was in good health he looked good I don’t know it was directly linked to that potentially the fact of drinking water from the Rif and living in the Rif eating figs under the stars it must still be a nice effect also on human health but that’s where I saw that the H could become something other than what I put in my joint than what I understood which helped me in my daily life to become a good student because as soon as I started using cannabis I became good at school I was bad at school I started using cannabis I was able to concentrate I became a first in class oh wow without cannabis I was lost I wasn’t even focused cannabis allowed me to stay there to listen then to shop this information there I would n’t be the person I am today if I I hadn’t used it as a teenager because I wouldn’t have had the necessary know-how to be here today. I understand so completely personally, you know, we discover all cannabis in one way and another and then we move on. consume for different reasons each person it there are some that it will be totally just to have fun during evenings let’s say occasionally social me personally I have the impression of medicating myself because I always have the impression that my little hamst is going too fast a little like you say when I am medicated I have the impression that I am able to ground myself a little more if you allow me the anglicism of focusing then working on things to be functional all the same but yeah I relate I I totally understand what you mean by that so we are in Morocco we are starting to have experiences with the hashish we didn’t take our return ticket what happens next I decide to continue my trp in Morocco I decides to push a little further so that I leave the rich Moroccan with how old are you approximately excuse me to interrupt you I am 36 years old 36 years old uh yes currently but at that time I was uh 19 20 years old 19 20 years old yeah at that time yeah then done I leave with 250 g of achich that I typed in in the Moroccan Rif excuse me I’m going to interrupt you a lot but when we explain typing ha ok I know we ‘re talking about doing DRF on some kind of drum that small detail drums just before or of course in fact I can even go back a little bit more at the level of the faitc PE used in in this little village there in Morocco because there is also something interesting behind that the H so we were talking on the TER it became it became CBN it was exposed to the elements the characters used it this time I saw that but I I also saw cannabis articulated in an edible way so because when they told me we give it to the elderly he didn’t smoke before going to bed he ate it he ate it or in a fruit paste that we call majoun le majoun which is a fruit paste made with dates but it can be made with other things apricots but there it was dates that’s clearly what inspired you t jubl that’s clearly what inspired me pir it is clearly in fact homage juoubl is a homage to an ancestral tradition for at home those who do not know the jubl are a species of small fruit bars which are available at we call B the brand is B brand s’ calls B it’s also available elsewhere in Canada and medical on M cannabis of course also the small bars Ju very appreciated elsewhere but yes ok I’ll leave you but that’s directly it you are absolutely right because Ju in fact is B the inspiration and the majority of what we are currently doing oh we have a service that arrives that we are served the first starter also which happens to be an umami do avocado while you are not too far from the micro would you like to present to us what it is yeah it’s an avocado cut in half with the cream s lumpfish caviard two colors push of arugula a little Espelette pepper lemon Z lemon then uh your honey oh honey is also on it oh it’s that we’re going to do a little communicating with the exactly in fact I put half in the glass and the other half on yes thank you Chef thank you very much we had 2.5 mg of TH in our worm we has an aut 2.5 mg of TH have you taken big ones before I m it’s so fucking it makes no sense just to be sure very cl 40ed thank you very much I hope you have a good 420 also ch everything the world enjoy your meal enjoy your meal or I’m sorry I can’t wait if I see that go take a napkin I don’t need a napkin now actually or I thank you ah it’s the others yes in fact what I wanted to say is that this village there in fact in Morocco in the still Rif valley which is to locate you who is who is how to say we have been cultivating cannabis since the 8th century the arrival of mou Idris the back Grandson of Mohamed arrived in arrived in Morocco with the first cannabis seeds he Mar queen Berber then established the cannabis crops which now cultivated there since the 8th century it’s the story we could make a podcast just on the story of it’s a story fascinating, it’s a story that I want to tell in a book soon to be published in France, but I really want to be able to trace it’s a bit like this story of cannabis, but for me that’s what fascinates me it is the arrival of this culture several times still there millennium and 200 years 1,300 years when I was there and the use of duchich in an edible part which I was actually doing it at home but in a part this which was given to me on the internet so infuse a little bit in the bar to make brownies to do so and that there I saw cannabis not as being the central ingredient know how I made Bries in a pot there it was for bringing cannabis back into the bodies of my friends it’s a vehicle to bring cannabis back into the bodies of my friends or myself to have fun around the fire could go swimming or whatever you know there I I realized that cannabis when it was presented to me in the form of capital it was not the central superstar it was one ingredient among many others the date was as important as the ha the spices the flowers the flowers the Razel hanout which is a local spice was also important there was really then the person who made the Majun could justify each of the ingredients by its reason for being on what it will do to you cannabis was one of the ingredients we did not sweep it away from the Rev de the hand but we also didn’t think about its time focusing on it you know this product the Majun that you call was it presented just as some snack or was it presented as something more therapeutic medicinal or very therapeutic very medicinal sometimes later so in other areas we see it with tourism all this is presented as a psychotropic substance which goes with a good time you know as they say but in a local traditional context where there is no influence or at least tourist permeability that much because it takes time to get there it’s really traditional it’s with diligence it’s with a ritual it’s with a way of approach which is very nurturing which is very how to say who takes care a little then it’s me that’s what I saw see the yellow unwrap from a small parchment and then see the little ball of fruit paste make me explain that the nut it will be good to give you energy the date is still there because your energy will be immediate but the nut is not later you know your hash it will remove your inflammation by that you have lost the SP on your back for the day you know because what I am jeement in the Rif is in the crops too then I saw ok it’s something else done there I was ok we can use it to sleep for fair people and we can eat it this way which is not brownis then which is not Gomis which is not in fact I realized that what we had in the West it’s a result of a prohibition it’s the result of a prohibition you know chocolate brownies gomies they have their place there they will have their place for centuries to come but are the result of a prohibition you I know I made them at home to be slic I made them to go under the radar I put 50 mg of canabinoï in my jej which were vegan besides at the time too you know but still to enter a festival instead to have a big joint then all that was easier but yes that was for the prohibition it was for the prohibition it was for the prohibition then I realized with the the Morocco contact of this of this Majun there of this edible cannabis the depth then I especially noted my profound ignorance of what was cannabis and what I thought it was cannabis it was completely wrong in any case at least I had a portion of the answer but the strong majority was still unknown to me and I won’t hide from you that it is still today a large portion of what cannabis can become perhaps but is still ignored despite the fact that I play with around twenty of these minor and major inherent molecules as you spoke, this is exactly why we are doing the podcast today too for me personally it is the education that is missing more in the environment then to precisely have the kind of knowledge that the people you met in these countries passed on from generation to generation sometimes a little blocked by the prohibition because we had these kinds of stigma there too from that it is so good the avocado is so the little honey with the avocado it does it it does it my guy I think all the noises you make in the background but honestly it’s so good I wish you could smell that at the cost his house by the texture the r it all works very well with the little brew also exact exact but yes clearly then just realize that me personally even the CBN for being someone who has nevertheless been interested in cannabis for several years the functions of CBN the functions of BG that I did n’t have much knowledge about it I’m just starting to recognize it by the products for example that I find on the market the oils with CBD CBG the oils with CBN but to know that since for years it’s been used and it’s known by certain companies it’s fascinating it’s really fascinating then we realize to what extent it’s my opinion too I mean but prohibition has slowed down the progress a lot things in relation to that and favored alternatives for me personally one of my goals in relation to cannabis is to remove or try to help people who are ready with opioids for example to manage pain to manage many disorders there are so many options in cannabis in my opinion which can help them not to use pills not to use opioids but in short I digress a little we were in Morocco we had learned as precisely the different ways of doing things like that I know you have traveled elsewhere also you have already mentioned more several things continue your journey yeah but there is a small portion of Morocco which is also interesting behind that because it really appeals to me after the village how I left this village with a nice gift from Abel Cadar who gave me about 250 g of bran from the hchich that I had made with him and certain pieces of these hchich which had aged we’ll talk about that a little later ok wait there we have to take a break there you have 250 g of chickpea with you in Morocco in my backpack in your backpack I’m going to the south in the south we’re talking about ‘another country or just I go down to the south of Morocco quietly I do I do the atlace the anti Atlace the middle Atlace I go down to the on the Sahel Mauritania Western Sahara Algeria crossing but all that was possible for me because of my 250 g of ha I arrived at a town called mahamid on the borders of the Sahara after having made the atlas after having given pieces of tarpaulin to Pierre Jeanard as a descendant then arriving at that time I arrive to populations that we call the blue men of the desert the Tuareg the bers of the South those who wear the turban which is lapiss lesul which is an Afghan stone big blue turban the the gandeor not a GABA the GABA a hood the Gandor does not have a hood my dream is to really go and see who these people were C who were these individuals then I didn’t know how to get there I didn’t know how to gain respect from anyone there I ‘was all alone I was innocent I was reckless I had reached the end of that but celebrated your birthday wow that’s what happened too you know then here I arrive I arrive at Mahamid after having gone through a few month precisely the mountains of Morocco after having made my first hikes climb the atlace know having lost but we of gold on the atlace long story short I arrive at the Sahara uh I arrive at the Sahara with what I had left approximately it’s a good 150 75 g of ha you know then there I am like ok like I want to meet the toires know fact that I want I want to see who are who are these people then I arrive at I go to the cook where do they drink theirs dradaur every time day or every TR day then I try to talk with the world the world mignor you know the world mignor it that they don’t want to know anything about me none of that I see by cont you are just honest how you are perceived is- what do people think you are american first do they already see you as canadian did I have long hair a pasire big beard at that time the fact that it is sure that what year or so that’s 2008 2008 ok long hair big Barb long hair big beard yeah it was pretty good on my geek for 10 years I big beard I had braids in my bar’er but that’s a are it’s another moment but the moment of because this moment where I I really saw my my ego bruised when I saw that everyone ignored me that I was thereand how can I make myself accepted how I can go to the desert how I can learn these skills set there you know I saw that the gromadaire was central to that you know I went to the S dromedary I went to change some I went to talk I bought myself a dromedary there I bought you a camel a large white camel from Mali it is one more species the cadilac of dromadar which had to the S of dromadar to gain the respect of the blue men of the desert who were the toire you d leave that with of the ax where I I got pissed off like my Quebecois that is to say I made myself I paid much too much for my for my dromedary besides I had baskets of wicker jugs of water from dried goat meat I had ropes of dried fig from D that’s not it but I had made it anyway it’s definitely the equivalent of the seller of Ch user quite that but it was worth it trouble because no matter the dollar that I had paid more leam excuse me that I had paid more there I arrived the day after tomorrow when the to came to drink theirs drada at the well with with my my dromadaur then there I ‘had people looking at me cadis cadilac ok legit it was as if you had I arrived at the top to impress the gallery a little that then there you had respect but that was not like direct respect I arrived my drur then I’m drinking but it’s not like what are the noises that have to be made to shoot how will I make myself get shot more that caught put sun that’s nothing you won’t lie that it was it was a little difficult but I get there then there an old man who we met a few times who looks at me what his then maybe a little bit intense but comes to see me you know touches my dromedor then so on I take advantage of it gen my big block of ax a joint already rolled pa I light it I look in my eyes then I give my ax joint he looks takes my takes P gives me back I ch P kif because kif is our thing over there that we smoke a lot in an Olivier box we sit down we don’t talk we don’t exchange a word we smoke we smoke that he gets up he takes my dromod by by pe a ring in his nose with a rope then he makes me expire c It was at that moment that I was accepted in the Igidi region, it’s called, you know, by these groups then I was from the butcher of Ribu for a certain time I crossed Saara for several months with this tribe there it’s the chick who allowed me to do that it’s important because the story is fun you know but it’s above all that the key to enter this story there CIT my h that I brought from the North you know that’s what makes you respect the h then also the H comm of exchange to have my dromedary the H like how to say sugar coating of the dromedary not just a dromedary I also have the experience and the product of the well that I had like that in the south it was still a substantial rarity I had different types I had I had a lot then when he smoked it the H the gentleman too I think that it convinced him another part of the sense that I was not not only a foreigner I was a foreigner I was a foreigner who who had a little bit of insight into the local culture or who seemed to want to know more you know then they had the generosity to teach me that it was this more there subsequently being I was stuffy I was a trained cook so that I was the stuffy of attribute for after 3 4 months this moment the butcher I trained in Quebec with animals allow expression me at 20 years old I was studying at the Cgep in thâre then I already felt wild pursuing a career as an actor you were crossing the Saro with a tribe your new dromedary triple AP notch of the big h doing you Pr ok I have to get accepted by the G what was it I mean already I find it fucking interesting I’m going to mention it it’s the first time I’m trying to avoid it almost it seems out of respect but I I have the impression a little in Quebec that I am presenting to you the Frenchy canoli from Quebec with all respect for Frenchy pu everything that has done I think that Alex is my discovery of the year precisely in term of person who has a culture which is part of the Legacy market and who can help us take things but at this age at 20 you are in the desert with your camel tone do you already have projects do you consider something you see yourself where in 10 years you are from day to day Iis a little from day to day you know I had you know I have a father who was who was a trader who was who was a businessman too but who was a little more apart from the family and I immediately saw him make his life as a trader, that always appealed to me, I always wanted to experience a little of what he experienced out of admiration but I didn’t have any precise life objective at that moment I had more of a global refusal to make éo an interesting Quebec document also the refusal to accept what was potentially my trace intended for me you know I had a bit of this kind of confrontation of authority civil disobedience already well ingrained in me due to the fact that I sold a lot of friends then the world around me told me that I was living my life a little upside down by wanting to leave or AINS immediately then I have a bit of a youthful attitude, I decided to prove wrong you know and then say NO, I’m going to do that because that’s what I want to do and when I do it I just had more than the confirmation that I had to do at that moment that’s when I realized then yes I had I found a purpose in doing that then I realized realized a little but it was confirmed as my life progressed then it materialized then was confirmed today and then currently through my career but I said to myself ok I have to bridge this know-how traditional there then I bring it to our house because it’s not true that we’re going to be stuck with products that come from prohibition, it’s not true that that’s going to happen because the cannabis that I saw in Morocco subsequently in other countries was so substantial that like I couldn’t even understand how I was to explain it to my children like how that I how am I going to approach this what am I going to do with this then what is that first and foremost you know you know that’s what it’s plotting for me it’s just that it’s plotting this life there then then I am grateful for all the moments of this great you sa yes I had to Ress to go see to go to the desert but God knows that as these people took me by ear they showed me how direct the stars at night they showed me how to bake bread in the sa under a fire they showed me how not to get bitten by spiders could if it happens what happened e not to die of you got bitten by a spider yeah I had f it’s not a spider that was venomous as such it’s a spider that can precisely if precisely there is an infection of your PL can give you certain fever the fever can create a certain dehydration in the Sara the summer is 55 degrees during the day fa 35°gr at night dehydration is already very accessible without a spider so that I I was going badly it wasn’t the spider itself so much it was a mixture of all sorts of factors but I didn’t get close when I was in the Sahara then I got I didn’t get close when I was all alone and more I know I was I got pricked then I was all alone I Allis left the same I went back to the dromodard’s sister to sell my dromodard to go elsewhere then I arrived I made myself I had this event there I headed towards a sub under camp in fact I a local woman who took me then she sacred me in her tent for a week 5 days of time I was in Delirium I was delirious reciting verses from the Koran she MCH herbs that she put on my PL then and finally I gave her my dromado when I left there pu it’s her she thought she was even more grateful she gave me my life we ​​agree this ma’am I don Dr then she is like You Vi give me more than what I ever had t saved your life Dr Iis not F for a little month after that you by because it’s it’s it’s we romanticize it all a little, we’re fabulous, we make it fabulous, then all that, but it’s difficult, it ‘s been formative, it hasn’t been, I’m sending myself to Morocco, it’s fun, then I’m learning about HCH, it’s been events that I just mean having the god to do it to go there to do it ul but cross the desert things like that me I am FL by your life for I have the impression of having played safe all my life by following a kind of slightly more traditional path of I go to school I obtain training I develop a profession you went on a wild card my guy but you know it was CIT wild card yes but at the same time time made a lot of sense it made a lot of sense because that’s what how to say the school of life yeah then I didn’t I didn’t have I wanted that from a book know I read I said Malou who is a great author I invite everyone to tell me that Recon of the beautiful books of people who crossed deserts who crossed countries in eras that I have not experienced moments that I would never experience but I saw that I take one last bite my ch delicious really excellent it’s [Laughs] chef then I don’t know where I was taking this bite there I think that knowing it destabilizes me malouf yes Malou that’s it I read a lot of books which me who showed me precisely what we called the all-terrain irudis of people who went from mathematicians to merchants by crossing areas of the empire of Islam at the time which was called the d’ as I mentioned as a moment which fascinated me, I said to myself, I too can perhaps experience this, I too have the right to go and experience private affairs, I say to myself, well as a young person, I said, well, I’ll take it, I had a ch I sold it was my last ch that I owned besides I paid my plane ticket I went to Morocco that’s what paid for my trip there my understanding I didn’t spend a scene for months when I was in the desert I didn’t think about a scene for months when I was in the mountains that’s when you write a film or a screenplay that’s the beginning you know it becomes W after ok yeah because precisely I want to continue games go back we are in Morocco we crossed the his the dromadaur you start to get approved yeah after that well you know there M Morocco there is a lot more subtlety that was a lot of months but I can say that it was the trigger of a domino effect which lasted a decade my decade from 20 to 30 years and which was defined by traveling meeting people in a predominantly tribal context to understand the interaction between the consumption of psychoactiv cannabis and other plants and religious customs I found it fascinating how the interaction between the consumption of these plants there religious customs healing C subtlety there was things that which was not accessible to me because it was not accessible to me I wanted to go and look for them there you are talking about a tribal meeting we were in Morocco do you have countries directly you moved from there you came back aubec yes I moved a little to Morocco I went I crossed illegal borders at that time I crossed borders illegally from Algeria to go to the oases because that was where the Toir not really border it’s desert we get along then I was a little afraid we get along but I followed the gag pu I had arrived in differenceis all always with stock on you or yes until the end then when I took when I left for Western Sara it was the only border that I made illegally without cannabis in fact because it was Western unfortunately the population of Spain was very violent with this region of the world which is a small country south of Morocco and left there again by the way Spain remove your mines there is a lot of min a lot of min no way to get into the country other than on a mineret train jumper on train I left for the South West which is a magnificent country which one day I hope will become noble if we remove the Spanish mines but at the end of the day wow I was able to travel a little in this region but this that Morocco triggered afterwards I left for Australia with my brother ok we went to Australia ok yeah I came back to pay a little I worked 7 days a week for 2 3 months I left with my brother in Australia with 2000 coins my free credit card not a scene we both arrive in Australia we go bananas we arrive in K it’s in the in the regions of D which is the oldest virgin forest in world still today which has not been affected by the last 6 qure last glaciations if I’m not wrong conis pasck Wikipedia but at the end of the day yeah it’s we arrived there my brother we don’t have a lot of money then again you know again there cannabis came to my aid a little by starting this trip there was not oriented cannabis at all it was oriented not just cannabis whatever but was oriented above all adventure on life I wanted to live like I had had a lot of fun in the in the in the in the Rif mountains I loved it like living with the land picking roots fruits blah then with my brother we decided that we are going to live this in the oldest living forest in the world one of the most dangerous in the world with birds that literally see people and we decide to go there then my brother and I lived for about 6 months but he stayed for 6 months and I stayed for more than a year in Australia subsequently but but he stayed 6 months with me where we hustl hustley hustley we went Hustle excuse me the angliss in fact we have it’s only angl grinding the HLE in the background it’s trying to every day then to continue the grind to continue the H to work to obtain what you want for the targets then know has a beautiful story still linked to cannabis I have been I am just a parenthesis I am very lucky I extremely lucky I am grateful but my god I can’t understand how everything happened even today when I tell it even before you tell me personally for me luck is equal luck bad luck is equal for everyone luck it’s a combination of TR work upstream and opportunity I think that your work that you had already done from 0 to 20 years then what you had as an opportunity we just gave at the right time yes or it is true that it gave at the right time then but it doesn’t matter that face that we love in life it’s not giving to everyone then in a certain way we live you work that you never work a day it’s not really that you work the same sometimes it’s but the end of the day we are very how to say we are on my X on my modern not only for the bridge but mainly to bring this wealth there but respect it through that not just steal it then bring it there know how to bring it then explain it then transition it into products that we will perhaps talk about more late but Australia we didn’t have a scene we started digging banana forests I managed to get a little bit of the 1 coin left on my credit card we bought an old tank we went up to the mountains to where did we know from F in needle that cannabis was cultivated by the aboriginal populations of because a place called Kuranda Kuranda which is a small town of Hipi there in the mountains then at that time the mostly local criminal groups were from Malaysia funny funny circumstances I have no idea why then I had to go see I had heard in any case from the MO the Hustle we ask people who met how to meet me tells you to meet an individual n XY at that time and I send myself to Kuranda to try to find this individual who normally is the bridge between cannabis cultures then me who will have a bag of friends before n because by then to fer under then more under that I made in the banan fmes parentheses made in the background I send myself there again the luck it’s yes indeed as you say circumstance opportunity but funny AD I arrive atand it’s a public market big wind terrible wind the biggest wind that Ava ends it a bit there is a guy who is holding his t then is not able to tie after his ropes I tie we do that TR qu kiosk finally we we take a coconut we drink a coconut together com’s up com your name is yourself then the guy introduces himself as the name of the person I was looking for I will give you a certain name today you know out of respect then he says to me said that I was looking for exactly you in fact it was you that I was looking for and he told me at that time still long hair I had a very sharp mustache you say d’Artagnan’s me he told me d’artan it was my name as a dealer in Australia then then fa says yeah it’s true then I come and say the name long story short uh he introduces himself so on so then we leave he tells me good or we’re going to do it a day together that’s where I had access to cannabis grown in young Australians by Aborigines transitioned into an illegal structure malille do you remember any particular strains or genetics yeah there were some interesting particular genetics CIT strains still there Dutch Dutch with bubble gum we still have purple C interesting this is the first time I have Chitral Chitral which is a variety to orient listeners Pakistani Chitral a variety of Pakistani origin which is a bit stockier which is the mother of many of our mauv genetics for pe all Caitral found it fascinating because triggers its mauve color with the cold then the nights come very cool in these jungles it expressed itself in an exceptional way having been selected and besides it is a little antifungal speaking a little later made it possible to cultivate cannabis in very humid tropical jees there I have other chemical interactions less chance of problem as it was you already saw then as I saw I noticed everywhere I was where cannabis was cultivated it was not all the genetics which were cultivated there were reasons why certain genetics were favored and others not and also I seen fields of cultivation where people did not make this selection there and the cannabis was poor quality but I would say that the ancestral know-how of origin brought this to these genetics there a VI terroir which was so Nice like I have never tasted great, that’s the terroir, you know, we know talk about terroir we know it’s an expression of the trace elements what in the soil you know exactly you give a the genetics of a plant we call you know the the the chemotype and the phenotype you know you have two thingsas a seed of cannabis it will express itself with a phenotype it will be a look it will express itself with a chemotype therefore a chemical profile these two things are dependent on genetics but it will only only and only express itself in a certain way depending on a given terroir or a given soil so in a very very tribal context very guilla guilla cultivation which we called at the time it was really a fascinating expression of the terroir to see a subtlety that you see me I am semelier also you know in in life fact know I heard people from Bordeaux talking to me about the terroirs chist and and and limestone and there I heard I saw cannabis expressed in young people then I had the echo of champagne I had the echo of Épinau Noir from Burgundy in cannabis from a Jere you know then I have that it also reminds a lot of what Frenchy was trying to put forward for cannabis and to what extent the terroir will be important for certain genetics in the last years life in California he put a lot precisely the terroir of the entire Mendosino valley forward if I am not mistaken then yes once again beautiful analogy with French wine the Bordeaux terroirs the champagne terroirs a bit the simple explanation is to say if a cannabis grows next to fields for example strawberries or dates as you mentioned this species of mix C mix of culture there we could also recall all the mycology in makes the mushrooms the myosphere the myicosphere the myicoris all that the myoris which which which will communicate globally with all the plants which are in this species of terroir precisely then which will intra influence in short you explain it even better than me but it’s a beautiful complement precisely speaking micosphere all that because indeed the terroir is it is it is it is it is the expression of a place it is the expression of a way of doing things after the subtleties of the people who say that we can reproduce a terroir in indoor cultivation we are not talking about this debate today but the terroir I am talking about at the moment is a sunown terroir it is an ancestral ancestral outdoor terroir it is a way to cultivate me I really like the Hach a lot for me the vast majority the best Hach of my life have been more often in the sun it is a way in the sense that the solar spectrum can bring a certain I think that it is again you stop me if I have time but I think that it is still true for several products currently on the legal market whether it is a hash or a Rosine we will still use the outside a lot for that yes because we have a lower cost also especially if we make believe on the cannabis a culture for the extraction we have a different calculation than if we make cannabis for the smoked flower the dried flower indeed we still see it a lot but we understand also that the control of environmental variables as I mentioned phenotype and chemotype when we have a controlled environment we can we can play that like an orchestra master a conductor plays pe guide a symphony with one hand a little more one a little more directive nature becomes a random intrinsic which brings us subtleties which in my opinion are fantastic we can learn a lot from nature then after the challenge it is to try to reproduce to our advantage or by controlling the parameters that ‘we want this kind of aspect of nature to come back now to Australia you spoke to me a lot about the tribes and then all that we were talking about to what extent certain cultures use it in a more let’s say therapeutic or medical way is that that there were tribes in Australia who had a way of using cannabis products that left an impression on you, I’ll tell you the story my story Australian is more more how cannabis that I was able to have access through the experience of meeting precisely in the cities uh in the villages the traditional cannabis my God we have some beautiful Wings here the infused Wings which come from AB thank you a house oh with barbecue sauce and the little barbecue sauce in vanéo at oh great there is a vial on all of you thank you thank you very much thank you handsome because you are going to get dirty it’s clear well this is not an interview Hot Sauce we’re not really in a Hot Sauce interview where we’re going to have hot questions and then all that we remember in terms of history that we went to Australia the tribes and so on jeess to make you a little plan let’s say I don’t know if I ‘m going to be able to have the home I don’t think the cam doesn’t know anything but there are close-ups that have been done it’s going to be delicious we remember that we have about 5 mg present to us the product which was used on this the abaneron sauce yes yeah it’s our deè spicy sauce which was graciously accepted by the sqdc teams moreover thank you again so a typical banero sauce served in the TAC stand in Mexico so we use the banéo pepper we use the caramelized nana and a little cumin we really work traditional aspect here we have 5 mg of THC also I would like to remind you that all our products are made with the full spectrum CRUD oil which is a full spectrum so a full spectrum cannabis extract which has not been purified which has not been filtered which has not been distilled either so we are really working with a product which is very high frag which has a high rate of terp of the order of 3. 3.5 to 3.7 % with flavonoids with phenols makes cannabis it is a taste with which we play we do not remove the taste of cannabis in our product we integrate it as I do taken in North Africa as one ingredient among many others which must communicate with the rest and we must adapt it so we are not in 10 there we are not just taking an oil then extracting THC molecules we want the complete effect of the genetics of the exact plant for example for this product did you use specific genetics a specific product what is it an assembly of two genetics here we have to we have to Dark Angel on the one hand which is a variety which one would say it’s certain that I’m quick a little sometimes the ind nomenclatures but which one would say trend more indicative and Cherry Bomb too so it’s two small varieties that we used for that we did a B run B run that is to say a subcritical extraction of flowers so we went very delicately we came out subcritical in the sense that we did an extraction by CO2 CO2 being one of the most ecological extraction technologies we recover nearly 97% of the solvent used and this allows me to make what is closest to a liquid chickpea oil where I will get everything that ‘ the plant to give me except except the fiber of the plant itself which everything which is vegetable everything which we do not want to have the fats the lipids also probably some I keep certain CIR I will also keep in in the extraction metrics but I will not necessarily take chlorophiles I will not necessarily take aromatics too much but it allows us to make a broad spectrum oil which has a much stronger pharmacological impact I taste it for having already tasted it I taste it well in the wings thank you once again it’s really good thank you chefuxon listen to nothing else to say I was trying to do a sort of theme while we were giving the wings in mode you know the interviews that ‘he already has on the internet with the h SAU the somewhat hot questions I had a question before we come back to your t adventures in the past because I know that currently you are in the industry a lot uh is that what do you think it would be and it’s not such a hot question but what is it? the biggest problem currently according to TR in the legal industry in Canada what should change if I had named one the basis of taxation the way of taxing I completely agree with one phenomenon of taxation of different products but I do not entirely agree with the part of 2 point of measurement in the sense that we tax alcohol and products which are much more damaging to human health in a substantial way lower and I put an S my muscle is substantially lower you will say do your research we are talking about the order of 10% to 2% 2% is the alcoholic cannabis all depending on the province without thinking of Provincial surcharges also which makes so that the product becomes more and more inaccessible because it pushes the product to be much more expensive independently of the choice of the producers the main thing is this taxation which moreover I would like to mention I completely agree with taxation a realistic taxation allowing an industry to live to produce to bring its narratives and its products forward without being constantly undermined by the State and this foundation ensures that the producers the processors of cannabis are being undermined at present beautiful projects which could take birth do not take birth from this kind of burden this administrative heaviness also which which is heavy pororteren is that a I for I could mention several other things also its but indeed laass is one just to explain in detail while you take butcher of your wings let’s put on one for example on a product a classic 3.5 of fl at 30 dollars at the sqdc how much goes GST TVQ base tax how much remains for the producer I don’t in fur it is sure that the f a little less worse because it is as it is to the dollar I think the dollar to the gram of flower as such but it is how to say at the level m of my mouthfuls of fruit to me to be more directly linked that we sell in Quebec in Quebec we will leave perhaps at 2 dollars of our product at the end of the day your product how much 10 dollars so on the 10 dollars there 2 dollars in base tax no that’s profit or how much is the base tax in fact the base tax it’s going to be almost exactly exactly it’s my partner who does that I’m not misleading you but I think we’re in almost the half the value of the product a little bit a little less than half the product value it’s P in Ontario pu that’s without including the TPs exactly that also product rises a little higher for the consumer you its end of the day what I mention is it’s the consumer who is read and know then after that the producer who is dismissed who is ler because he can’t have a more accessible product which would still allow the time of recession today to bring quality products into the hands of people we know because we are not by people making very low quality products we understand 70% of the edible industry are products which are with a similar quantity of chemicals with palm oil with all its junk for well I quite justified or justifiable but for reasons which are mainly economic price yeah economic which could be we could insist the producer to make more legitimate choices of ingredients more more in coherence with what we are currently experiencing as ecological as it does not matter what we are experiencing but in the sense that if we do not give the tools to the gensis as said desfor don- me that I count exact start clearly clearly listen it’s the same I think that just to overlap a little on that then cler eat your Wings same thing I think the ASS attack is one of the biggest problems currently in in the area of ​​the Canadian legal market for euros you may not have an idea what we are talking about we are talking about a small theme that the government requires the same as on cigarettes the same as on alcohol it is a way of taxing these kind of products there personally I would very much like to see it disappear, especially at the medical level, patients who have medical cannabis in my opinion should not pay T d’assise but we could do a whole podcast on that, let’s continue your travels because I want to slowly arrive towards Canada but I heard about Mexico too yeah yes it’s Mexico was my second home for a while too but let’s say Australia that actually allowed me to start selling the cannabis to have this link there AC random allowed me to bring cannabis or to sell it at a markup of almost 200% local tourist mainly French at the time hello to our cousins ​​who wanted to pay precisely for this cannabis but who was not ready to take the risks of going to the in the regions I was ready to go that I brought a facilitator then with that I was able to take scuba diving lessons my brother we were able to live well you know we was able to cross Australia we did 27000 km with our little ch you know walking in the deserts in the mountains almost everywhere selling SP a little here and there and just to mention that’s what Australia is for For me, cannabis was not necessarily in a tribal way or in a cultural way although my cultural experiences in Australia were phenomenal but not necessarily linked to cannabis more to other types of psychoactive substances but at the end of the day after Australia I left for Asia I left for Asia it was a journey that lasted almost 2 years at that time without without returning without returning to Canada from Australia I left for Indonesia where where I was able precisely seeing different types of interaction with cannabis again here we are talking about the Philippines too and and for precisely you were talking about Mexico I returned several times to the state of W I had the chance to Waka which is a state very rich in pre-Columbian culture by pr pre-Columbian culture we mean indigenous culture which predates the arrival of Europeans in America the populations of wahaka it is the apothecose apothecoses the apothecoses others survived the genocid at the genocid of at least a portion of the apotheques have survived there is a beautiful story besides all that but good long story short it’s very apotheque Waka and and Waka is a land of mescal as we know tequila mescal is xav comes uh and and in the wahaka zone is separated into large desert plateaus where the Gave is cultivated to make mescal and tequila and a cloud forest where legally speaking the individuals the local apothec populations in the cloud forests legally have to with the the government of Mexico the right to consume psyloibine magic mushrooms and cannabis legally they have yoga retreats and then what spoke to me a lot you see the kind a little long hair Barb then travel with cannabis in the cloud forests and upon arriving there just oahaka that was another revelation which was we feel that the apotheques do not have cannabis It was not in America before the arrival of the Europeans it was the Europeans then the triangular trade of cannabis the slavery that brought cannabis to America the apotheques adopted it on their Copé farm subsequently and they adapted it to their own sauce it’s funny to say sauces because the calves over there the sauces the calves which we call mol rjo m coloradito are all very complex sauces of Waka then the culinary terroir and the terroir of the parfaitcopé is very very very present the wahak Gold on con some of you will know it being old school it is a variety of cannabis which grew one of the largest tropical varieties . who is not fed fascinating made wahaka for me it was excellent quality cannabis at a good price this is where I acquired my mastery that’s where I had that’s where I had experiences that’s where I learned about Mexican politics that’s where I learned Spanish that’s where I worked on W gold I learned to dry spot in a context of I that’s where I learned to if I would have shown it the Moroccan method when I was there we made drums we typed we did Moroccan with had like a kind of Bou which also came full circle in my story as there were people who gave knowledge you shared your knowledge too then I didn’t bring it to the north first you know I didn’t bring it to us first because it wasn’t yet m for that here ok tradition in making tradition within tradition it gives me cometa so happy to do this so much fun doing this ok it’s a vein to follow it it’s there I really realized that like ok there I took my knowledge in Morocco at 7 years after Morocco then I have the knowledge fire of Abelad the chief of the tribe precisely LEF village excuse me aorter bring me precisely at wahaka in the cloud forests an ax method which is still being done today you know it’s sick because I return the opportunity then see again my ch there then he bangs the drum again you know you have the impression of having participated yeah that’s it it’s it’s me who is a vehicle but it’s not me who’s important in there what’s important in there it’s the link between Morocco millennium migration Arab Muslim world the cultural world cloud forest japotheque the two traditions one more time several thousand years then a relatively more recent which cter twine is spoken there I saw this phenomenon there as being but a reinforcement to my role that I believed myself -even as being the transition between the traditional then the modern through a certain form of scientific justification it’s fucking interesting for real it’s fascinating there we are in Mexico we sell cannabis uh me I finished my old fashion if by the way we will have something else to drink I would like to have a glass to think with these wings if you want they are delicious we also have a small cider which was put aside if you ever want to take the note out thank you again for be there everyone on the Podcast I hope you have a good time don’t hesitate with your questions on twitch I see them thank you very much to T those who watch on Youtube too h quietly not quickly I think we will get back to each other around Quebec towards firstly before moving on to what you are currently doing a you have just told us about the yawaska a little about magic mushrooms also you are not simply exploring cannabis it is someone who also had an interest in all other substances also psychotropic or or drugs downright let’s call it like that yeah it’s it’s medicine or different ways of calling it I was especially interested in what was medicine or defined as such but which was also defined as being either non-toxic or virtually non-toxic which we call therefore in the scale of toxicity we have different molecules know tyenol the city quite high in there curiously compared to cannabis or psosybin which to LSD which is a lot lower also in terms of toxicity after that we speak of a physical or physicochemical toxicity subsequently pe avir a toxicity also at the level how to say much better cognitive I am not a psychologist I am not a doctor either so I have a limit to Don’t take my words for nonsense either I want to say but yes certain forms of medicine so magic mushrooms what we call magic mushrooms psyosin CUB 6 mainly main genetics consumed but a panoply of others also which has been nevertheless a quite interesting subject I then I had the chance in this decade of travel to do a B in anthropology a master’s degree in field ethnography also I was able to do I studied through all that but in also complementing my roles I went to Nicaragua for 4 month guide in the volcanoes you know then I was going to sell PO at the same time obviously know where I was at the Montreal Symphony Orchestra selling cannabis to the musician also you know you know it was I always been one by the two have always co-evolved together never you are a former member of the Morale Symphony Orchestra and that you remember having bought cannabis from Alex leave a comment in the YouTube video ok I small thank you but for what it is on a trip whether during my courses return stays here during this decade or subsequently it has always been know a cohabitation the part of how to say know understand more about cannabis itself trade it work transform it then I had the chance in the modpr through all that to meet and to be contacted by groups of patients, mainly patients who at the time were more prescribed cannabis flowers but who live with pathologies such as fibromyalgia endometriosis of ut of problematic like that thank you very much chief thank you I a little shout quietly cider house saile de Milton cider house Milton our factory neighbors who make an excellent cider which also goes very well with a little cannabis but sparingly we want to mention cannabis drink parsimony start go slow thank you for mentioning it because it’s true that today we have to mention it we mix alcohol and cannabis we have a small infused drink things like that but you the best example of parsimony we discussed it earlier in smoke before starting how it is a shame that the market only pushes towards high THC levels 30% and more 25% and more but to discover genetics a little lower in THC we smoked what we did a pink freeze which is a crossing of pink C Freel which is like old school and the average old school kind exactly It was just delicious it gives the taste in the mouth it gives the little boss that we need to feel good but we’re not stoned we’re not knocked out we’re still capable of being productive talking today for me it’s also one of my big ones I find the legal market disappointing, it’s that the PSE industry just towards the autau of TH but yes parimony good message to pass thank you or the by but I want to remind yes the industry pushes towards that but the industry is pushed towards that also in a certain way I understand lcential producers want to offer a variety at a higher percentage at lower prices because inevitably consumer behavior seems to push towards that and I understand I don’t accept it understanding it is not necessarily an acceptance either however the how to say this push towards THC cars is also due to the good media know we have an educational background in cannabis we cannot adequately communicate what cannabis is and the effect of our different products therefore the consumption patterns will definitely model themselves or model themselves according to the accessible information what are the thcbd dollar metrics so can we blame the consumer for going with the metrics they know which are molecul thch how much I have in it for the piece that I am going to put because I am not necessarily authorized to make a big presentation on my cultivation medium or on the reason that this genetics has been passed down through the different millennia in the Nepalese basin and which was used for work in the field for such and such reason and blab blaa because we are we have a good media you know a good educational in fact which is due to the media Baon I want to say indeed the industry is moving towards that unfortunately because the the solution comes a bit from both, it is necessary at the same time to educate the consumer but it is also necessary that certain producers produce products the offers put them forward and educate people to the extent to which this product, for example, we have a Purple Mountain Majesty swung in th6 CBD it’s perfect to start if you’ve never tried something in place of going all the time towards the big products but yeah definitely I don’t know what the solution would be it’s producers who have to lobby or those or us who must educate the stupid consumers a little more but there is a way to go I tell you a mixture of the two up to a certain point because yes indeed I am above those who will arrive precisely with products more Bau de TH comm I know having analyzed the import âes throughout my life there was no â import at 55% it never happened that it didn’t happen everything in my life to me made What I want to recreate is jeéer a joint hash in Snake in Afghan PIP I don’t necessarily see going towards things that didn’t exist before because I think we already have a good base on which to start from the metabolite metabolite the THC is too high simply for reasons of dollar and perceived value, these are not strong enough reasons for me to go towards that, I will not go towards that, my varieties that you will see arriving on the markets in terms of joints preoulet or flowers in the long term one day will be more ancestral varieties will be varieties with softer rates and even my hashish who who who him that I sell it in Ontario that I sell it in Quebec in Quebec obviously we have the limit of 30 % but that suits me because at the end of the day my Lebanese or Moroccan hashish had about 30 32% THC that’s it% CBN super good question what did we smoke at the time when we were young is what percentage of TH according to you we smoked around in in the Haes was not cut if it was not cut we could touch 30% in hash enchiche in flower we touched this we c it was from 12 to 12 that I analyzed a lot ha that flower with full transparency I analyzed well ha we had small machines of it excuse me the the the infrared it’s the infrared that we used there I forgot the name of the technology itself but that didn’t allow us to know the T in our hashish the Hach that we orted was not bad because I was trying to copy I was trying to emulate the d’ import then do it with less blow with the FU that we grew in r of macoute we have to celebrate it’s 4 right it’s it’s 40 we’re going to make a fa but yes we’re going to make a little Snake of ha I brought my C Alex his on his side we have what you brought on me I will try to show this guy we will try to make big ones it’s F to do a little tasting like that take a small l a little knife for ex-mi I forgot to take one out for that it’s what’s interesting about the plate that B has just shown you is that it’s the same thing in three iterations it’s is the same thing what we are looking at at the moment it is the same matter on the other hand it is the same matter at the level of the ingredient it is not the same matter at the chemical level at the physico- chemical level it is that’s where it’s going to become really interesting to look at that’s where it’s going to become really interesting people as he explains we have the kif with which the temple balls were made the the original material ages for how long here here we have 4 months d ‘age 4 months of age and then here we are 13 months of age so more than a year that’s it ex and there we will see the difference also in terms of the scents of the look and so on already the kif smells very good we are going to open the temples B I just leave just 2 seconds before we do a close-up 2 seconds here while I have a camera which on this I can also mention for the record the chick is on a board of olive wood which comes directly from Morocco oh it’s an olive wood which comes from Morocco I put it on there because I found I brought it back from these trips I found it interesting I like it a lot like when I have a cabonass brunch which is on my maple board that you ‘re the maple taffy on the same maple as the taffy I’m a bit of a big geek on these things but I like it to go to the depths of things because the terroir for me is one of the things that gives me shivers in these arms I’m talking to you about it you know that me that me that open me prepare your camera for the big PL JUSE so that you understand the texture of the kif it’s like a bit of a texture of kinetic sand it’s not not it’s not there it’s very very resinous also that’s how you see a little there that it This is the kif, we’re going to press it with a little velocity, a little heat to allow us to burst all the little glands allowing us to give this texture, the texture that we have here is a chic that been aged for 4 months which we hope very soon will arrive in sqdc very probably we wish it very much and here after 4 months the love will have gone to â I have but not the way of a cheese which will ferment we are not talking about fermentation we can recognize a little the texture of the kiff look here I’m going to make a little parenthesis like this here you see the outer crust has oxidized like this here the outer crust is oxidized the ch it’s a fruit we press a temple ball a dumpling a brick we isolate we isolate the kiif that we pressed when we pressed the KFF the tricomes the cannabis glands burst and excuse me but yes s there without there the glands burst but without it take a small piece of kiif to side without the kiif before then without the chick after then perceive the distinction it’s the same thing it’s the time and the method which gave which allowed it to emerge in a how to say to offer another facet of the plant the plant does not create the majority of metabolites which are found molecules which are found in our hech are not produced by the plant itself are produced by the aging process of this plant there also you know fact that the H allow us to roll it like that this little ball there of temple ball to create this little crust there which oxidizes which is darker than the interior as you saw which allows to isolate the kif which has been pressed to allow it to aging so the aging process is not going to be as I say a fermentation but it is a noble chemical degradation so we are going to have molecules which are present in our tricome burst terpenes which are solvents often pinen is a very powerful solvent the pinen solvent when exploded V AG with the molecules present in the chick then they will create something else we will start from a molecule such as citral which is like citronel citronel very strong in citrus aroma with oxygen over time with pressure with the interaction of other molecules of other solvents will become linalool or limonain there it’s there it’s important that you remember that at home because for me that’s it flabber gas just to explain in terms of secondary 5 if I may allow myself we take the kif we press we do you have already seen my videos for to make temple balls we isolate it so there is a kind of crust which is made on the outside which will protect the kif on the inside it will not be exposed to light or oxygen and that gives this but if we continue to age it what Alex will explain to us is that we has two choices of degradation which is also called noble degradation we could decide to do oxidation by exposure to light or oxidation by exposure to oxygen and that’s what explained to me while he is in the process of rolling little snaks that we are going to smoke one process will give such a type of terpin will bring such a terpen towards one genre and the other process will cause the terpen to transform into something completely different yeah or to preserve it is because we may want to keep the original profile of the plant or at least preserve it in a certain integrity until a certain maturation on the other hand I take the path of terpen without wanting to go too far into the in the metabolites a terpen that we know well the mycen it is the aroma of mango it is the aroma that we will have know which is a little bit a little bit peppery a little bit metallic in our very sweet cannabis this mycen there when it is degraded by time by the air or by light mainly by time in the context of hashish becomes hashish hashich is a terpen which is not of natural occurrence in the plant but which comes from the degradation of the mycen an imported Hash always has a high rate of this is what the Old School when who feel their ax com not ha when say when you see someone of a my sound h pu says that it’s not H he’s going to say it’s because there is no occurrence of hen in S which comes with age and the speed of execution of often we want bring a product to market you know I understand you know but H is old there’s no fuss it’s not old it’s not Hach it’s not old it’s not that never been that know it’s not I CIS never there I say it that my h nosh is called HCH it’s the aged Montrealer but I say that aged but you know at the moment I hope not to have to say it know because my opinion no sense pe that so a packaging date on the Hash I should always be at least 3 months plus t in fact no it is that the ha must age in brick first before all also on the other hand if you one not worse quantity there it’s not worse in temple ball but I like it better I have many of the best results in noble degradation when the hash is is in BRI ok yeah that’s how to say I don’t have the answer yet all these questions I don’t yet have the answer to all these questions but we have the beginnings of an answer we lose mass also things that we realize when we age that I have mass pu it I’m not from the decarbox I don’t have any I’m still asking myself lots of questions but it’s so much fun to be able to ask yourself these questions you know in a legal context then to talk about it with you today you know my friend mercin we are going to make the two types of hashish because here I gave you the young one but young 4 months that is a hash that we can put on the market in my opinion before 2 3 month there you can’t really put a ha on the market then here we have our our little hash the same ha here pu I’m going to make you feel it too Bob after once you’re going to be lit that you’re going to see it’s really different it’s really different after having even in terms of look there is not the same mouth there is not the same nose and there is not the same aroma and does not have the same effect either because it will have more CBN of develop in the hich a little older and the hich n it will be even more exacerbated although sometimes I prefer a little 4 months to my my 13 months you know it depends what I eat it depends what is- what how I go because my my 13 months there he relaxes very relaxed because his tdative yeah sedative more than C more than C there absolutely just to be sure that I understand well depending on the way you are going F viir your h YOU to have an H which would be more energizing say I really to opposites but a little more energizing let’s almost say that to use a new old nomenclature then with another aging technique to have something much more sedative that’s exactly it yeah then its sedative TER a little in my business but when we say CBN is sedative CBN is hypnotic in the term of modern psychology know hypnotic not that you V in hypnosis but we call it in dominant theory a hypnotic molecule melatonin is a hypnotic molecule the molecules that we consider cedative are often hypnotic but good I for the gu who are currently listening you know but yes indeed we can associate the precisely hypnotic side of a molecule with the idea which is that of the CBN currently which is created by aging a little increased and the hchichen is first is more present also then curiously I have not yet hidden why I have more cariophyen after later but that I have not yet hidden what is it the link molecular with that it is more peppery then more for because very powerful anti-inflammatory and therefore we should we would have a pharmacological effect of how to say muscular anti-inflammatory without wanting to go a little too far in the allegations substantially superior in an old one than in unch Young ok but there is a tradeof you know when we take the kif there even P of kif in the joint there it will be floral it will smell like rotten skin it will be very zdifying stimulating but old later there it is more stimulating P everything is relaxed go go you want to eat relax watch a film tonint it’s the opposite do it’s same ingredient work differently with a maturation method remar very good very good puff precisely it makes [Music] well that I wanted to say I c is that you take the time, the passion to do this research, we’re not going to lie to each other, I think that a large part of the industry, I think that a large part of the industry, is by bringing a product to the market as quickly as possible. quickly possible to start taking the time to do research and development just like that taste at the same time where we talk about it as frequently as possible yeah or downright it’s so much a little more sophisticated it’s so much a little bit more also I apologize for all those who smoke the ax from the bottle on a cigarette there but there is now a way to evolve in our consumption of cannabis that it is all the Rosines the electric Devic to also consume yes the combustion yes in short it’s just marvelous note the difference note the difference in what you have just smoked you have a slightly greener freshness in this one this one you pepper but yes the the the the cooked fruit the candied fruit eh candied orange peel a bit like apricot even to a certain point it’s completely crazy eh the same kif the same product which was pressed 4 months in my gift 13 months in the other 13 months in this one ago has a big difference in taste the people at home I can’t even express it to you I would like you to be able to smell what’s interesting is to also have the kiff on the side you know that’s what it’s like it allows us to really see the evolution it would have been really interesting also to have the initial flower H which allowed us to avoect whole wrong here we have power here power all the way power it’s really is it okay be that which will arrive on the market in Quebec I don’t know yet you know but I dare to believe that it will be something in this perspective I really like Power for the Sherbet variety which will fetch precisely these metabolites there these terp there which will allow you to have an interesting old profile because not all cannabis genetics are what we call hash plant hash plant it is not the genetics which are good for becoming H or the Rosine more and more breeders of people who precisely make their pH which will go precisely towards these species of genetics there yeah then it has V good the Rosine avir B for the H old school there are some which are specialized to be good for grow outdo to be pushed outside there are some who will walk less well outside exa then we know nothing at the moment we have to be really Smart at the moment but God knows that we know nothing we know nothing we know a lot more about the tomato mate you know because God knows that the tomato has been standardized not that I want cannabis to be standardized in a one-dimensional way but I want it to be understood as much that we understand tomato you know we have to do studies on that too you know cheers everyone once again health eh health cheers the technical team thank you again C behind the chef a question yes the chef has a question that you guide me a little with that here Ms. VI pr parem prod by we are going to come back to the H because I think that it is a product that enters the legal market yeah in fact in July in Ontario then we don’t know yet but we hope sometime in 2024 in Quebec also I would like to be able to bring to Quebecers to the Quebec consumer the love that I have for this product then a species I emulated it I emulated imported HCH what we taste there there I know that it tastes like what it tasted like because I sold it then I made it then I tasted it then to who better you know could this here is a tribute to the stories that I tell you I’ve been telling you for a while now, it’s a tribute to that, it’s a tribute to Abdel Cadar, it’s a tribute to Anita in the Philippines who makes me cream chef, thank you my dear, thank you my, so here we have Indian dumplings, that’s it, wow, dumplings Indian lamb meatballs and here we’re going to pass one on my side here so that people can see it clearly we have what we call a ho in a small syringe and I’ll let you explain your product. there was another one you a doublep yeah it has a small cap to screw it in there is a small cap to screw it into sacir another cap if you put but it was already on it small cap it is removed it’s we’re going to enlarge noo surely a certain moment too but yes in fact that is the aim of the exercise of this product is to bring an extract which is the basic extract in the entirety of our edible portfolio we uses the raw extract as I mentioned earlier, we extract it subcritically, we do not purify it, we use all the terpen of cannabis in Quebec cannabis and we put it in a small applicator that we call like that, it can have the looks a little wild, an applicator that looks like a syringe but the reason for being is social responsibility because we have graduated we know what we put in we know how we have cannabinoids at each activation it is much more useful this little C little applicator there at the medical level at the recreational level than many products that we currently have on the market because we are talking about a raw product we can transform anything into edible we are talking about a product which is so fragrant that no child will want to use it either it tastes terrible it’s impossible to use for a child too so we really have this little applicator there which again looks like a string but for all intents and purposes practical this reason for being it is social responsibility nothing else and accessibility because we are going to be precisely in the merchantarians the cheapest extract in its category because our mission is not only to sell cannabis and to make cannabis accessible and destigmatized and democratized then by bringing that here we are able to ensure that someone who has a small salary who wants to take medication can buy that there is 680 mg of cannabinoid in there. is that the big difference if you allow me 680 mg so we are talking about a product which is considered an extract like a concentrate this is what allows us to bring that to 680 mg but the subtlety of these products is is that these are products you stop me if I’m wrong which are already decarboxylated so they are decarb as we would say in English so already activated we do not need combustion of a vaporization to activate the effects of THC with this product so definitely that if you have a DAB rig something with a torch to make you dabs you can squeeer a little you make a DAB with a pro a PCO a proxy any EIG you could simply add some in a joint also in a bocket in a B but I could squirt it directly on my mouth also you have perhaps already seen me use similar products to infuse bits on my YouTube channel but there the difference is really is that we have a nice little graduation I’m going to make sure to take close-ups of that eventually to show them to you in the insert but we’re going to be able to be sure to have a better one Bou I yes yeah exactly what I’m suggesting here we have two we have two individuals who have fairly substantial tolerances and if we really want to perceive the profile which is interesting in there it’s what we call the organoptic profile it’s a big word but it’s what does it taste like what is its aroma what is its perfume then me what I’m proud of I am proud of this extract there because it is it is edible we can effuse our joint we can effuse our bowl of B we can put it on our Indian dumpling too you know at the end of the day we we make it our own c Is it what I want to offer tools to cannabis consumers? This is one of those tools that we would like everyone to have in hand because it’s very versatile, it’s very versatile and it allows also to be democratic also if we don’t have the money to buy a subingal oil olive oil that’s your subingal oil at half price you know the FA of the day we want it to be democratic so that that be democratic that it is accessible I allow myself to be wrong also before but there are many people who can’t wait to see the good old Rick Simpson oil on the legal recreational or musical market can we say tell me if I’m wrong that this is what will come closest to it as a type of product yeah I would say that this is what is closest to it as a type of product then you know without wanting to push that too much far because really RCK Simpson with its ethanol extraction is substantial is really fantastic it’s very there is chlorophy in Leck Simpson that I don’t necessarily have much in there because chlorophy as such degrades and brings a corpus really unpleasant aromatic at the level of full SPE it’s the closest one who remembers it it’s one of the products which is without wanting to make any claims it’s one of the products which is broader in terms of applicability because there is a molecular corpus l like H it’s liquid H know it’s H which is applicable to the edible as it can be applicable to the infused like an infused joint so on it’s really yeah it’s exactly it’s like Rick Simpson it’s like what we call Phoenix tears it’s like all that does let’s go I’ll give you the equivalent of ah yes thank you we have TR tr ball we’re going to put the equivalent of roughly what you want a small 10 mg you 20 mg 10 mg with the perfect 10 mg it’s we’re going to put the equivalent there it’s it’s smaller than a grain of rice then it is very it is very how to say viscous because it has terpenes we have not removed them it has flavonoids we are talking about 3.5% of terpen we are talking about a product rich in flavonoids also pu these terpenes there it is solvent which allows you to have an oil which is much more much more liquid also it is viscous which we call a little better which is used a little better in the bottom yeah which is very versatile in fact then you know I have I have I have so many comments often in relation to our edibles where people tell us that we do blind tests so on and so on then we often notice people tell us ah it’s a 10 mg your little bite of fruit no no it’s a 5 milligram people say oh because we use an extreme broad spectrum the effect is not necessarily more exacerbated stronger at the psychotropic level but is deeper is more complex we often speak noble people its I have a bodily effect medical people the comments that we sometimes have on Linkedin on Instagram that’s that’s that’s it ‘have chills you know to say that by comparing putting a gomise at 5 mg or a fruit bar made with Saint-Jean blueberries with a liquid ha oil like that people have an exacerbated medicinal effect we will never deny ourselves towards a product that is too purified because we do not need to go for a product that is too purified because it is still a by-product of an underworld industry then of a shift from pharmas to cannabis when cannabis is by inerance an extra broad spectrum know the H that’s it B definitely but that’s the POS industry sometimes in short we could do a showc firstly I would like to congratulate gold behind because the idea is not to camouflage the taste of the oil either or anything but to have something that matches well with the taste as it’s still quite strong all this Indian meatball if I’m not mistaken it’s menu Bou lamb meatball with Cumain heart Gray chalotte and ginger then in the sauce we find we find the same spices I will put S IF we don’t hear well but it’s dice with yogurt it works really well it really works with pe then yeah I’m coming St not to lie to you I had a another thing that you had for me we’re going to leave the little one we’re going to let SN die out I think because however I find that it’s still lach there very B we’re talking about something at 30% there 30% it’s delicious we’re two individuals with a fairly substantial tolerance we would have separated a joint we would not have had this effect there the hashish this corpus there which is not we cannot obtain it in the flower the plant does not produce it the plant does not create a portion metabolites that we find in there they are created by human intervention a work a velocity a pressure and an aging an age that allows us to achieve something else which is like a little not necessarily better than a flower but different if we can move towards diversity with the same indi but let’s go ahead know cannabis for me too I just remembered what I’m going to talk about it’s important I think we haven’t mentioned it as we are in the field of consumables could you help me we are here to educate a lot because I think of the things that are missing the most in in in the environment of cannabis precisely the different effect we have two enannabinoid systems the respiratory system the digestive system several people will react differently with B consumables yeah I’ll let you explain to us it’s a very interesting phenomenon it’s a very good question also by the way cannabis consumed by combustion it looks like we talked about decarboxylation I imagine that a large part of you know what it is know what it is when we pre-eat the plant on the plant as such we wouldn’t have necessarily have a psychotropic effect as such unless the plant has been precisely aged and dried due to the simple fact that the plant has the molecules in their acid format so THC is very little occurring in the plant it is THC and therefore for obtain it to have the psychoactive effect you have to cook the plant that you or activate it with combustion so the joint when you light a joint it is decarboxydated at each point the metabolization the metabolism in fact of a joint or a medicine or anything that we eat or that we integrate into our body will depend on the vehicle we use tributire therefore will be directly linked to the type of vehicle made therefore the cannabis when we smoke it we lose a large portion in the smoke of the joint which leaves another portion is lost in the condensations in the walls what we call nasopharyngeal therefore in the body here in the in the in the mouth and in the the pharinx so on and there we will ir a portion of this cannabis of the absorbed cannabinoids which will enter the blood flow through the bronchioles this being said a portion of this THC there th in THC form will affect us in a psychotropic way directly a portion of the THC absorbed by the bronchioles will be transported by the liver, it will be transformed into a metabolite which is not produced by the plant but produced by the liver, what in technical terms is called hepatic metabolism, THC hydroxy which is its nickname in science you know it’s 11 oh THC that’s its molecular formula it’s about 55 times more psychoactive than THC in its natural occurrence so the metabolite that we create at the time I’m taking the path contrary just to remind is stronger than the metabolite that we consume by smoking there is a slight percentage I think we are talking about 2.5 to 5% it would be necessary to check the more current scientific literature but this conversion there at times it is anecdotal it is very small with the joint but when we consume by mouth we can also go there instinctively the mouth the liver and the classic management we will metabolize much more of 11 oh THC of hydroxy THC which is more psychoactive when it is consumed by the gastric horomucosal walls activated cannabis THC consumed in the mouth arrived in the stomach will be digested absorbed by the gastrointestinal walls will enter the blood flow but will also be in the vast majority in large portions metabolized by the time this which is called hepatic metabolism so cannabis com we need to take a lot less of it to have a much more substantial effect which makes it the most medicinal or the most profitable vehicle if we just want to use the cannabino component by effect but at the end of the day where we have a hepatic metabolism by faith which makes the hydroxy THC which is much more occurring when consumed by the paroiresucosales or gastrointestinal versus smoked and when we smoke we lose a lot of it in the smoke pu that we hold the joint in our hands then also we metabolize different metabolisms when it is vaporized we can talk about vaporization as being again a little more substantial as metabolization that the joint also you know all the vehicles change the la way of better capitalizing on its cannabinoid the rectal walls I knew that you were not ch there were not waiting for that more than for that more direct no no lubricant nothing beforeou yeah no no it’s the parals which are the ones which are the ones it’s going fa a good fr PCH but no at the end of the day we talk about suppository suppository like rectal but also the intravaginal walls for women are also a vehicle of choice for medicine so the suos intravaginal stories for fibromyalgia endometriosis we I see a lot of studies still there, I’m not a doctor, I’m not yet making prescriptions for anyone, I’m just making myself a popularizer of modern scientific literature, that’s all, I see it moving forward, I see the time which is also moving forward I want us to continue your story now how you moved into the field let’s say Lacy market experiences even here in Canada to the legal market now then to do Ms. juice of L the exercise make a change know when I I saw that canabis cannabis to become legal obviously my only avenue I had a question was to migrate to legal so as soon as we had a state decision to go VO that abandoned me was my interlop sales in fact I I migrated I migrated I arrived with my first startups which unfortunately crashed violently the first two startups so I was not we got the news that edible cannabis was not to be legal in Quebec at a certain time my first startup was a very high-end edible cannabis startup from chocolate truff bean to bar with farmers from Ecuador and I really had a link with sexual lubricants with a really line of very very luxury products very traced with Justus ingredients so on then there getting up one morning having edible cannabis not being legal in Quebec well my investors pulled the plog then there I had to reinvent myself a few times you arrived at a few iterations until we arrived today in the iteration with gayica where I met phélipe Bonet Sébastien bonnet professionals in the agri-food industry who had VT venti factories across the world of different cold-pressed juices with a work ethic therefore to reuse second-hand products like juices from them to use new pasteurization methods which are not pasteurization we call hdostatic for the record but these people came to support my vision and they came to follow me in C in this adventure which is gayonica which is their adventure as much as mine and we the recipes all emerged in fact from these travel experiences that you had that we had the chance to discuss today you know the majaune that I took in Morocco the products B dubl if you went 1 year ago to North Africa then you have you have the chance to meet local people and have an edible there at all its convenient that’s exactly what we offer we do it with a Nordic iteration we use Nordic fruits because we don’t want have too profound an impact on our ecosystems we want to choose local products work with Bleuettes du lacingan des Bleuettes du Nord that hand for our product BL before we make efforts not just to really say how we are Smart we do efforts no but it’s because we are going to have an impact on our world we think that cannabis can be much more than a methine it is a context of social change also you know when someone consumes cannabis then has well-being he will have a reflection which will follow perhaps just the effect but even after the effect will be said why it was illegal ps what reason was motivated who to ensure that I n I didn’t have access to that at the end of the day we think that cannabis must not necessarily be that produced then we think that the edible must not only be a vehicle of cannabinoid a vehicle of well-being ingredients but also a vehicle of ‘idea a narrative vehicle you know then of value well said very well said thank you we are going to test the bars precisely in the dessert later I know that we have we have a little thing that smells good on this we had the chance to test already your honey we had the chance to test the sauce we had the chance to test now the H also do you have any scoop for us on other things that are coming yeah but you know the Chili our brand of sauce piicante which has just been released in Quebec it’s been weeks now we are very very very very grateful to have decided to work with us to bring precisely this type of product to Quebecers which allows you to work, you know, our local industry as much cannabis as not cannabis because that as you know it is my neighbor honey fountain to his Cécile de Milton who provides us with beautiful autumn honey yeah SH out for real because we want cannabis to restore its glory in the eyes of society to bring back these nobility that is done through a territorial collaboration that too is to go looking with our neighbors not just for fun an effort that we make to bring we call rising ti a rising tide know we want cannabis to make the work work world in a direction that makes sense based on our values ​​fa good SCOP SCOP we would like to bring N to Quebec we would very much like to be able to bring these values, these ancestral narratives, to Quebec to Quebecers because we think that Quebec consumer he deserves all the more since he has always seen it he has always had access to import CH now we hope less and less by aiming for 30% and less yeah in Kébec by aiming at 30% Mo because It doesn’t stress me out so much to offer as you saw look at the fact that we have at the moment it’s a measly 30% that we smoked there you know you understand that a measly 50 % we may smoke less to have a much more substantial effect but the traditional hash in the way we currently smoke it must be the same you know it can be different a little then maybe obviously we can innovate we must innovate in life or we must go off the beaten track but we will start to innovate in my opinion towards directions that make sense when we have mastered the traditional the traditional is not currently mastered in our industry and we try to emulate it in all kinds of ways but that’s it so SC I would really like to be able to bring hashes and rocket joints to Quebec you know for like people who don’t roll their joint of ha know already roll know to say like look at the little Friday evening special day we’re worth increasing the percentage a little bit you know how do you make a donut with a Snake or you just small pieces I would say the Moroccan like what we do is that we will heat it slightly which is the way of Moroccan Taxi Driver who plays who rolls with a hand we put the ax we heat we heat slightly with the hand pump the Hach which will melt slightly mix with the tobacco but in our case what we do is that we will heat the ax we will it mix with a local flower still here sour in Quebec and it will be mixed like a kind of semi semi semi joint this is what will make a joint of 30% still there and rich with aromatics that we do not find in the flower you know the infused joint a reason for being even if you say I have the F at 30% I have enjoyed at 30% fa you know you have alcohol at 30% I can have a Bulgarian raquia at 30 % I mesc at 30% who will tell me that it’s the same thing person because it’s not the same thing you know the end of the day the rest of us that we currently bring that’s it that’s what ‘we want to bring it’s really the experience of an infused joint for people who want to experience it or do it themselves then this kind of elegance that it brings then the side a little also that in the chick comes from other types of molecules like waxes fats non-polar molecules which cause the smoke to be a little fatter a little smoother fa this smoking experience I would like to be able to bring to Quebecers in any case because I also encourage it a lot with my own products then I would like to diversify I would like to arrive at Rosine also in a good time also in Quebec and so on but for the moment we really want to diversify the edible sector while playing in traditional products also this is for Quebec but for Canada and other plans also to be sure that we have enough time also I would like to call people back if you are live currently if you have any questions let’s see the question period I think soon don’t hesitate to ask them I love what I I’m really well medicated let’s put it like that right now I want to ask you the question because I think it’s a question that many people may already be asking themselves but do you think that the 30% limit in Quebec will disappear one day I hope I think so yes well it doesn’t really make sense at this level- there in the sense that it’s a bit of a form of state paternalism in my opinion then that’s not the FA of dc necessarily it’s the decision-makers in power well before the SDC who must execute the lines ideological guidelines of the party you know about wanting to make tutorials we see we see a way of doing things which does not necessarily make sense at the scientific and technical level does not necessarily make sense at the social level either I am not saying that Mo age should be at 50% on the contrary I have just been saying the opposite for 10 minutes I am just saying that it makes no sense to limit it to that because it is a product which is expressed in such a diverse way that prevents you from having certain consumer vehicles like a good pressed Rosin there it’s not at 30% if that’s 30% you have to cut it with other types of genetics which ensures that you end up in blends it’s not necessarily bad blends like I make very good ones you know but I would like to be able to offer a real Rosine know whipped aged I would like to be able to offer because we are talking about very traditional Moroccan hashes because that keeps me very close to my heart but you know I master Afghan techniques different other Pakistani techniques which are H which can also be stronger which yes indeed but as I say the H here I won’t see it stronger you know but yes indeed in Quebec we must one day see it change this 30% obviously as we must see the limit of the milligram of cannabis as inevitably increased know that’s not necessarily provincial it’s federal it’s a paternalism again there which makes no sense when we see the measuring stick made with other substances such as alcohol or tobacco alcohol which is literally worth plunging young people into comasliques every weekend through our federation and knowing how to limit cannabis to 10 mg ensures that we feed an industry a black market which is still extremely strong among the most strong in Quebec here too unfortunately and and and we lose taxes that we greatly need we lose distribution channels know that we could develop that we could work you know I have I have neighbors who do lavender I have neighbors who make tomatoes I have neighbors who make lots of things you know we could do a lot more range of products with a greater latitude too that’s sure what I would like to call it to a diversification but again it is not the SDC which decides that necessarily the SDC also executes the mandate given by the State they do it brilliantly you know they do it brilliantly to the extent possible you know it is for that’s what you also do lobbying in addition to doing yeah yes that was lobbying started with the failure of my of my first my first start-up in edible cannabis when edible cannabis was not legal in Quebec I tell you that I wasn’t happy, I really was very angry, in fact, an anger that I still carry, you don’t know, not yet there, an anger that is not directed to the state directly but is directed to a certain form of state laxity which is not justified which is anti-scientific which deserves me a little because by its simplicity in fact there you know and I said to myself good if it is if with such simple arguments they are capable of doing things so deep, me with slightly more complex arguments doing even deeper things so I decided to register with the register of lobists through the CAC or the Quebec Edible Cannabis Council to take the presidency then to put the cost between the teeth not aggressively but to tell me to go and ask for justifications from the stakeholders then to help define the square of edible cannabis on what the exc was incredibly receptive incredibly receptive and with which we were able to collaborate to bring product line B which today is the most loved by Quebecers and very soon the most loved by Canadians too you know because we follow guidelines which are those of ancient times we do not resell the wheel we update them with the ethics of current modern values ​​which we think will help us to have a slightly more glorious tomorrow I do cacaland then I come to a question from the public who asks us if we can talk a little about micro dosing but also other microsages like LSD queamine mushroom I can talk less about dosage because as I mention I’m not a doctor I don’t know I can’t prescribe I can’t talk about prescriptions like that’s if I talk I talk about experience today the question a little but what do you also think about the experiences about your other drugs there perhaps at the level of medicine of what is happening precisely then of the opening that the legalization of cannabis perhaps we could say bring yes oh yes no it is very interesting because the psychedelics or or the anteogenics depending on the nomenclatures that we wish to use will very certainly greatly change the psychological landscape there of of of of how we actually treat different pathologies in the future it is already being done Canada is one of the leaders on this we treat patients at the end of life with psyosibine to remove end-of-life anxiety we treat people with post-traumatic syndromes with aaketamine with MDMA then we have incredibly higher results than synthetic methylates created although there are some which are also created entirely but yes the anenteogens the psychadelics are it’s a revolution that we are currently experiencing it’s a revolution that I will collaborate one good day for the moment for the moment my fight is cannabis for the moment my my passion then my my focus is that but I would like one day to be able to collaborate in introducing these medicines but I think that it will have a very different structure from that of cannabis because we we’re talking about different molecules we’re talking about potentially essential support also know I’m not saying that we know me in my youth I didn’t have this support when I interacted with these molecules but I think that future generations when these molecules are going to be accessible it will come with a certain respective CRE which will be different from that of cannabis then I invite the State to ask itself these questions there too to be able to clear the voice a little then also to frame it adequately because indeed we are talking about molecules which can be potentially more psychotropic then have deeper psychological impacts also I have a little difficulty it seems personally to imagine the the recreational market we were talking about pisiloibine what we also recall the magic mushrooms but a recreational market of Pilos bine like my view mentioned a microosage market for example or the market a little more medical for the for the magic mushroom maybe tone you have that but it’s certain that it’s not going to be recreational I don’t think it should be born in a recreational way either maybe we know later we will perhaps have a way of framing it for adults you know but I believe that ‘first of all we must question the medical potential we must accept it because God knows that since the 70s we have had a fairly substantial amount of Data indicating to us that psobin can be used for several types of pathologies let’s start with let’s start by going to desgin in these pathologies there the why and the how but you know I think I think that the pine itself could be born in a way of potentially well-being not necessarily recreational pe but well-being in potentially designated places which are not necessarily that of the medical place but which can be places that we could say halfway between medical and recreational because again I believe that many uses of cannabis which we call recreational are fundamentally also medical or medicinal depending sou adopt but it’s I through deep reflections rfle deep exaement have affected me I think the H é very good but I’m starting to feel the M parimony exactly parimony a question which is currently coming up on twitch even interesting we touched on it a bit of an idea , do you think that the importation of products will eventually be done as we said the BH of Morocco a Lebanese something here something there I would like that very much I would like that very much because I think it is an important economic vector I think that cannabis in these areas of the world are already there Morocco is the largest exporting country of cannabis in the world already we must convert that the farmers of the R are among the most poor people in this region of Africa makes no sense because they are on the receiving end of the Italian French cartels and so on legalizing cannabis will allow it to be legitimized excuse me as a consumer product whether medical or recreational and exporting will clearly be the next phase, countries that can produce more foreign cannabis with more seasons will have what is called in the theory of comparative advantages a comparative advantage compared to other areas of the world Morocco has the comparative advantage of its classic formulation which is already the exporter of ACh more of the planet actually the export will arrive the export will arrive we are already exporting we we’re going to import one day I hope I would even like to be part of groups that will highlight the traditional Lebanese know-how of the Bé valley without it being done in an underhanded way with potentially violent people when it happens in the country here I’m not saying there necessarily we understand the interloping context invites how to say precisely the Inter VI necessary to keep in contraband as they say you know yes the importation must arrive to legitimize all these Supply Chain there to ensure that the money arrives from Oche from the people who make this product you mentioned export currently it makes me think of another question that I ask you what is the status it really is Insider you tell me what is- what you know about it and what do you think about it but I think that there are not many people who are too aware of the situation what is the current status of Canada as an exorter of cannabis I know that there is medicine that is going away in certain countries can you tell us about it and describe to us a little what is the situation of a licensed producer what is the risk how does it happen when he export of cannabis from Canada is a good question which still comes to the point because we recently experienced Israel which comes to Canada saying that it accuses of dumping to the WTO of the World Trade Organization by in relation to the fact that he says well we would have qualities of cannabis lower at prices substantially higher than their value is an accusation I don’t know that all that will work but it invites us to ask the question in the commercial practices that is this going to happen how is it going to happen personally I am not currently exporting I am currently to ir my business models but uh it is a business opportunity it is not there it will not be the vachal of the producers not immediately the barriers to entry or barriers to exit that we can say when we talk about exports are still too substantial the added value of exporting the product then also I think that the relevance ecological we will say to each other I know an aside you know I really like campaigning for things that are close to my heart so ecological practices exporting flowers in containers doesn’t look good s no it had to be produced there or closer to the south of this region in my eyes that makes no ecological coherence or in terms of energy kil I spent to bring that there at the end of the day yes we will have territorial articulations which will be done at through export but that a northern country like Quebec which exports would one day export cannabis to the south that doesn’t make sense but for the moment yes I think it could be an interesting man for Quebec Canadian producers generally we will we are among the first to establish C supp chain there we are the first to benefit from it also we must be careful our reputation is perhaps damaged as we see with the with the the interaction with the WTO currently being done it’s it’s you have to be careful but you have to take the opportunity also because that’s all I’ve also heard about producers who risk when they export for example to Germany the product must be tested must pass a battery of tests the problem is that if after that it is not accepted we have no way of reimporting it into our country am I wrong I don’t know all the subtle territorial articulation but what I can say is I maybe go towards perhaps another direction in the sense that the articulation which allows the export of GMP the famous GMP I think it could be interesting to talk about it because these are practices which are rarely circumvented also we export GMP my GMP products delivered to the country you know we don’t manicure the product here we manicure it there so that it becomes valid it remains to be said we are at the beginning of all that it remains to be defined but in relation to the fact that we must report from the fur has immediately I am not assée in the fact me of of of of Germany and the import export of flower to say that it is an irritant or not it is ain of FL but I can say that the Export Supply Chain and how to legitimize it in the different target areas is a bit gray yet I know it remains to be defined and I’m excited to see it defined a little better also it’s still interesting what’s happening is going to Germany too, hoping that it will help the French side to move forward a little, what do you think about the situation in France, well, you know, me in France, I have always given a lot of training courses, that’s what I have a consulting company called TP cannabis we give a lot of we give a lot of training I give courses on the chemistry of cannabis the metabolization of cannabis an industrial we we we collaborated to build factories we did the technological selection developing formulations across the planet you know then France is an interesting nation for cannabis because the largest consumer in Europe connoisseur large population also of North African origin who has an ininsle knowledge of the product uh I think that France is really going to be one of the leaders in terms of consumption if not in terms of production one day too but the proximity of North Africa and the upcoming recreational legalization in Morocco will definitely create a truly Supply Chain interesting Morocco France it will have something very beautiful which will develop soon then yeah obviously I want to be part of it too because it is also a target France at the DEES level of my writings then of my knowledge where I wish to transmit it to in courses in formulations of the seminars that I also give twice, I think that I hear you mention your writings just for reader’s opinions or things like that which are there to write to us to clarify what is yeah but I do manuscripts for my courses all my students who have followed my courses I trained maybe I imagine I don’t 7 7 8000 students over the last 10 years there you know through my training in Quebec we had to stop for different legal issues but but we continued online doing it has always been me I offer my consulting services to give courses in fact to these different firms I even attended the Paris Chamber of Commerce I I even gave lobbying in Morocco I gave a conference at the University of Mexico recently also we actually give knowledge then I like to give my manuscripts too so I write a lot a lot of things on popularization is never really me who speaks but it’s modern writings that I crunch and in fact I learn this way in my life there is no cannabis doctoral student exactly in what I do which means that the way of training myself to do continuing education is to constantly read the most modern dominant theories then to crunch them then to popularize them myself then after that well I give them in classes for me it’s a process of integration to know for me it is also a process of knowing in another way and also of gaining also capital because it is sure that it is also interesting to trade in this knowledge also you know because we really have an edge in Canada you know who who who is not negligent means that yes but I can also work on my manuscript currently which should see the light of day in France in 2025 I know soon which is a history in fact of cannabis of 14,000 years we make a journey pu Ms. a chapter its just how to roll joints then why roll it in such a way because I really just want to bring tools you know Toolbox a box to tool in areas where cannabis is not legal it is interloped then to bring it a kind of small chest to say like this is what cannabis is where it was 14000 years ago in tombs in China where it was in Nepal when it separated from the blond hou a few million years ago you know it’s interesting to give a context because we have this context for the drink we have it this context for business package for tomatoes to give a context to cannabis you know it’s a privilege to be able to give a context to cannabis today to just be the bearer of my past experiences there is a question that was talking about CBN in the chat we have already talked a little about the molecule but that allows me to jump on that because I find that we have not yet addressed these subjects enough, particularly in Quebec where the display of minor cannabinoids is perhaps not yet I think that it s comes that s VI there yes yes but or can you talk to us precisely if you want to come back a little on the CBN or a little even on the CBG thcv uh the CBC the CBC canabis chomen there are a lot of interesting molecules you HCP you TR hydr cannabis forol you trahdrocanabis Varin we have a lot a lot of new very innovative very interesting molecules which require a lot of further studies which which is very exciting to talk about all that too you know because that as I say to myself it is this first experience with minor cannabinoids which did not bear this name at the time it was on the roofs of Abdelcadar in Morocco you know then CBN its sedative properties are occurring but if you take it alone they will have a certain interesting potential but when it is combined with other cannabinoids we will exacerbate or attenuate its effect yes cannabinoids are really interesting but what is really interesting is what can we create with them then what will it give with the oh wow oh my god that’s magnificent late of BF my God Prehistoric sign of P of broccoli my God is we are very pampered today thank you very much I am honored to be with you sir to deal with my products articulated on the products like that I put it here so we are going to inuse it ourselves with the habanero sauce that’s exactly salaanera we call it sauceanero because of the law but it is what we call by it is necessary to call the name just in in its name it is an abanero pepper sauce B to you the honor ok ok how do you suggest we put it below the the little Lerne over it is Mo I the little sauce on the side yes it’s true or sauce on the side like that you make a little sauce then we put in a little meat juice I have a little allergies today I maybe I just throw it away there thank you my ch given the slightly caramelized side of the pineapples we cook the pineapples to obtain precisely the Prun yeah but I live repr I have so much I have so much pleasure or less in Mexico in any case with the culinary culture people and all that I wanted to bring a Mexican sauce as a signature after my spicy honey because it stuck with me in the world we say spicy but what is it really on the Scottville scale it is in the is it’s in the very very low because we can’t we wanted to make a democratic product as effec it’s a product which is spicy but tolerable and quite accessible to all we’re not we’re going to go there later in products that will go up quite a bit higher on the scovville scale but for the moment we really wanted to introduce something democratic that we worked back and forth with c to allow us to reach C body of flavor there which was at the same time which masked or how to say not masked but which went well with the full spectrum extr but also which made it possible to be accessible to all enjoy the young boy of 16 years old who smoked his jints who had barely dreamed of legalization never thought one day eating like that after such a good discussion thank you to all those who make this possible at present thank you toion bon appetit my god it’s delicious so so melting Pat dou j of meat yes sir we didn’t lack protein today why are we going to the rest magnificent W magnificent we should take a break just eat you come back after again REC again the cameras are following excellent thank you again to everyone for being there thank you to everyone who makes it possible to do this right now yes I also had lots of personal questions to ask yourself at the level of expertise currently as they said to me then my friends we like it start to grow with the aim of brewing make loose to make risin firstly just at the level of brewing do you have any things from the oldies things that you could teach us about me I have my little machine we brew it we try to keep the temperature as low as possible what could you teach us but I would like say you know don’t start if you have the money the budgets obviously machines all that’s really fun then you I have a lot of fun with that too but start with an oar start with elbow grease go quietly understand your biomass then you will also realize very early that it is not yes there are genetics we talked about h earlier it is genetics which behave better in the extraction to make lachiche therefore the extraction at water the dry sift know it’s not a good dry sift isn’t necessarily going to be a good one either you know then how to say your if you don’t have good success with your genetics it’s maybe not for of your genetics either straight away it’s Mée cultur your cultural method all that depends vim for precisely C goal there to make H pu of the ine we don’t need to try to make big, very dense casseroles we can try to make casseroles that are a little bit more loess if you allow me the glycism so that the extraction is favorable yeah it’s interesting as a thing I have genetics that I like a lot for for my that well I don’t know if it’s because of genetics or these modifications that have taken place over time since I’ve had it but a peer neck you know who also makes large, very very trimmed braids with full of small bods I have I tend to have a better yield a better yield excuse me on my on my extract by I think of the structure of the bracts cannabis the flower of cannabis that’s what we call a partenocarpic infructescence it’s a bit strange as a name but it’s little arms that go on top of each other it’s not a flower properly speaking it’s an infruitessence it’s several flowers one on top the other fact that it is certain that if we make H plant normally you will not have a BOD of a substantial density it is not sure that you will seek because access to the tricomes which will be present in the in the in the fur as such it can be more difficult then there will be greater violence at the level of the oar at the level of the velocity of your oars to go and get the tricomes as such to go and break because the goal of the exercise of we remind it for those who do not necessarily know about the water extract the tricom it normally the strong majority of the tricomes that we seek to find are glandular and with a stem so they will have a small stem of the length of the size of a cell or more or less with a cell on the top which is a small tricom that we wish to reach and the cold allows us to break the stem to obtain this type of gland there so the ha plants or at least the hash extractor and a bit like an apple grower in an orchard he will fetch the apple from his tree the plant is a vehicle for the apple how to hold the apple delicately to preserve its integrity for go and get what we need inside, that’s the question you know it comes through data without wanting to be too scientific and technical you know measure your glands measure the glands take photos take your microscope look at the maturity the maturity of a product if you make a substantial Belage there it’s really magnificent then you manage to press it then give nothing it’s not necessarily because your plant is not good also you harvest at the right time you you you you you pressed in the right way have you taken your good fractions also in your bubble bag you know because there are some and then there are other tricomas more and more the new studies point us towards tricomas which are without rods Cécil which we call which are large large bulbous tricomas which have no which have no are which are on the plant itself it would be those richest in cariophilen in certain types of ha PL you know fa you know those sometimes if we sweep them with the hand to look for tricomes more quantitative good loses qualitative you know me what I mean in all that sir too long learn your lante learn how why what are the precursors that it needs when I made the call to standardize cultural methods like we do it with tomatoes or potatoes that’s what I’m saying you know let’s understand the terroir let’s understand the soil let’s understand the metabolic precursors that we need in the soil to give metabolites subsequently THC CBD and so on it’s That’s what the goal of the exercise is, excuse me, it’s to reach a level of knowledge that allows us to truly be the masters of all these artifices, to be able to create products that will precisely paying homage to what was done in the past while innovating in the future really well said really well said will you have a little general guide for precisely those who use B bag with certain microns sorry I have this excellent REP in the d is for example such from such to such micro what utility micron t the utility what do you favor look we’re going to talk it’s F I had already released small â of that here it’s my good friends shout out Altan bio wonderful Stu yes it’s passionate people who yes available Mendo moreover we are looking to do some collaboration fa that we have a small research bridge currently with them here we have a beautiful 25 uis very small open this I won’t open it before you I that you open it stick your nose in there he eh ah but it smells it smells of Rosine almost it looks like yeah but that’s a bubble which is full of contaminant also not full of unpleasant contaminant just a good ratio of contaminant just the ones we want I don’t even like that that of the contaminants I do n’t like that of the plant matter the desirable plant matter of the noble contaminants if we are talking about degradation noble we could almost make a corollard with one with a noble contaminant also you know here we are talking about a type of hashish with a small size of tricom which is very sticky because it is very rich in non-polar metabolite in large molecules oily don’t take a little ch take a little piece then Gass with with your fingers you’ll see it’ll come out want you to take out its aromas there you’ll understand a little like doing the ax with take the squeezes the crushed ones in your hand like then after this I’m going to show you another size you know as long as we’re talking about size we’re going to talk about what it is also you know there it’s going to melt a little it’s going to be dry you know normally if you were working that for half an hour with a little heat there you would end up with something very sticky which would become good I’m just happy Doig excuse I’m just happy pr G like Doig whenever you want ok I’m good said it’s well said but you I go out but it smells so good what do I hear you yeah c who lemon from the FRU how how yeah go ahead go ahead tell me tell me what you sense tell me TR word tell me TR word I I answer you with TR molecules fruy lemon sweet lemon sugart ti we lemon it right away it’s it’s two things at the moment that we lemonade a big worm terpinolen your lemon it cleaning agent pom cleaning agent P a little it goes terpinoline limonain which are in the process of making a vas in your nose at this moment which is being felt which is making three-dimensional shapes in your mind to give you an idea it’s sick it’s psychology of aromas but yes here we have limonen we have duanen we have MIRCen we have something exceptional which is very that I love valencen valencen orange from Valencia orange peel sweet fruy there it comes from your valenen which will just team up a little with MIRCen then which will just give you a beautiful fruit salad on the nose know like what you just knew it smells even know you felt cannabis at the time you give that to someone who doesn’t know cannabis will say it would n’t be that it’s cannabis just really like yes it’s not kind but as you have a substantial aro Point Break and genetics here then here we still have there same genetics Point Break Point Break I find it interesting because you have it week of A interesting hole make a little B max generous max of d ‘alacan eh same thing 160 check the measurement check the measurement of your molecules of your tricomes in there it’s the type of bag that used by the artisans of Charlevois my friends there we have something very dry it’s very dry C it’s more like that we work it differently we integrate it differently we can take a piece of that one a piece of that one work them that’s the research to make different hashes it’s to integrate fractions of your bubble bag know further the answer a little perhaps further than you would have liked but it’s there we have like it goes it goes but we have we have sizes of different micromes so selections of different tricom compositions of different contaminants of the same genetics and which is expressed in a really different way although we can recognize it you recognize it by the nose you recognize it by the nose but you you have the terpinolen you have much less lemonen you have much less fr exactly say that there is much less lemon you have pepper exactly M has the epi it has the cariophilen which stands out much more to I am flab gas explain to me the difference even more between both as if I was 5 years old in fact it’s it’s simply the tricomes are the apples are the apples in the apple tree the apples in the apple tree for the horn are the tricomes in the cannabis in the cannabis flowers in the fruit essences C Mo good fingers it’s not not a glove as said but the end of the day it’s the size of the tricomes which brings different molecular profiles because the plant there is not a factory of molecules that we like produces molecules for themselves the metabolites they secrete are secondary metabolites which are therefore called secondary metabolites terpenes cannabinoids are this class the secondary metabolites have functions which are not necessarily directly linked to reproduction at least whatever they can attract certain pollinators but are mainly due to the defense against insect or fungal or bacterial attacks the plant will release certain types of terpen in these tricomes to protect itself when during an attack and these tricomes have different functions depending on their role of protecting the outer wall the inner wall the arm the udder style the inside the stem the Tron the tricomes Cécil the tricomes which look like little picles which are without s without glands which have no metabolite the plant in fact it is its it’s its arsenal its arsenal of defense against its environment and these are also its certain form of medium of communication with its environment also because it can also attract certain forms of pollinator or something else it is in the world of plants in general besides cannabis but for cannabis here when we do when we separate different fractions of our bbble from our bbble bag we will obtain different sizes of tricom different types of tricomes which inherently have different functions in the plant so they will be chemically composed in different distinct ways and some will be desirable and some will be less desirable some will be fatter some will be more soluble so the assembly of these different fractions there the subtlety of the assembly of the fractions is the craft of hashish is the craft of hashish is how to melt it then this is how to assemble it but how to work it with the heat with the famous Frenchy water bottle which is the Nepalese method you know for making temple ball you know it’s very very subtle so as not to burst too much but break out get old enough but not get too old get old enough but the significant difference between just the size of Micron currently just because I’m still there it was the 25 U or the last one you made me feel it was the 160 which incredible you really I wanted I wanted us to talk today in experience that’s why I released kif there it’s yes I’m answering you with some answers but also your reactions to the listeners also allows to transcend what I want to talk about through these little products there you know that you feel that you see precisely these differences there that’s that’s the experiential that’s what is F in the formation of cannabis also you that when we are able to interact with the plant because we are able to work the plant to obtain specific results because we said we are talking about aromas but these aromas are effects these aromas have effects terpenes have an impact on the central nervous system flavonoids have an impact on the endocrine system cannabinoids have an impact on the endocannabinoid system we have a substantial pharmacology in there we don’t understand any of that yet can we consider the mouth PL it’s excellent it’s delicious delicious can we consider dansextra 5 10 20 years ever a kind of almost precise market even about terpenes then everything you mention even I don’t know the flavonoids then a whole new one and more recently which came out that everyone is talking saying there are not just the terp you are talking about the canulfur too canulfur and all that yes it is new but not new what thing the estes the alcohol yes it is new but it’s not new but yes indeed one day we are going to see a kind of market precisely where we have cannabis which is specially specialized CBN well we already have that CBN oils but in addition with such and such such such terpen that we know that it will have such an effect we have another oil which is more like ok that’s pro limonain such terpen it’s for creativity it’s for SIP are we going to succeed to go so far as to be so precise as that in terms of the chemistry of terpentes I think so but I want to put a BM also on the integration of botanical terpenes in the edible aspect I don’t think we are I don’t think we should necessarily be there right now, well, others would tell you the opposite, potentially there would be a certain form of coherent reasoning, but in my eyes we have enough corpus in cannabis to play with it. know are we going to be able to use the terpen as an agent of effect of direction of effect indeed yes but it takes so much deep understanding because I am going to talk to you through an example of limonain when consume as we just smelled in our hashish if we smoked these hashish the limonen which is very dominant and the terpinolen gives an uplifting effect which we call stimulating or uplifting which we like to say you know the vast majority not in everyone the world not in everyone but in the majority of people the limonen when consumed orally will not give simulation but will promote what we calls gastric citprotection protection against stomach burn or ulcers it has a patent filed in the United States for limonen for gastric citprection you know does that it’s just to mention the subtlety the complexity of our ignorance in relation to these molecules there today the difficulty that we will have to overcome in prescribing specific effects based on that on the other hand I put another caveat modern food science already has a good baggage of response in relation to that for us that is what ‘we use at B at jubl then in our edible formulations we have products that smell of cannabis have specific effects you know I have my bite there blue sell it with it pepper in also a little bit of pepper lightly we taste not lightly a teicheia pepper which is rich one of the peppers richest in cariophylè we don’t say that we can’t we can’t say it I would like to say it but we can’t say it on N social networks we can’t say it publicize but you know I chose my por for a reason partic the region where it comes from know the lavender I also chose we grind it at Mo- 20°r celus to preserve the cariophilè of linalool of the lavender because that we know that lavender when consumed in a gastric-gastrointestinal way will promote a sedative relaxing hypnotic effect independently of the cannabinoids which are in our formulation so the aim of the exercise is to create products which have an effect then from that to use specific canabinoid formulations to exacerbate the effect inherent in food formulations for example pome Macha le Macha of the caffeine of natural curance in it we arrive at 15 mg of natural curance approximately per bar of of our fruit bites which ensures that the caffeine in interaction with the CBD the THC has an effect that we would call stimulating and edifying due to its effect that we could call entourage in quotation marks with the caffeine therefore presents this what I want to say is I VO a little further than your question yes we are going to play with the terpen but God knows we have to play with a lot of things at the moment we have a lot of background in food science that we We’re already playing with it right now, it’s not witchcraft, there’s no magic behind it, it’s food science, it’s molecules that interact on known systems with dominant theories that ‘we use us in formulation to lead the customer by the hand towards a specific reproductive effect from time to time because we control the Supply Chain that’s the name of the game because frankly you mentioned botanical terp that makes me think about a question which I think is hot if we want at the moment I have CR too I think I heard about it during the last meetings sorry it’s excellent food oh my god it’s delicious I’m saving myself space for it dou but yes we’re starting the question again I’m starting my question again certain yes so my question would be we talked you mentioned terp botany is it a hot topic currently there seem to be products arriving on the recreational market with additions of what we would call botanical terpen I don’t even want to describe the situation I think you are better placed than me to do it yeah but in fact it’s we have we have the right in certain regions in certain the majority of Canada except let’s say Quebec and other regions which in my opinion with reason we make to formulate with botanical terpenes gift of botanical terpenes it is the terpenes in general are everywhere in all the plants in the majority of terpen plants is the way plants interact with their environment also in a certain way just to say that in really simple language it allows you to make for example a joint that you could call a rocket with blue flavored botanical terpenes yeah blue flavor you can make M your joint go taste blue melon everything s things like that but these molecules are present in nature are extracted from foods of carrots of melon of fruits of syéque there is nothing synthetic in there it comes from nature as such but you know I heard a doctor recently tell me in English I say it in English I will translate later but what is good for the for the gastrointestinal consumable by eating in fact is not necessarily good for to vaporize smoking either what tells you this is that we don’t necessarily have the necessary studies to say that it’s correct to put such a percentage of limonen in a vaporizer then to pffer it like that it’s is correct to put it in your little essential oil spray at home there but to put it in your lungs directly then to personally leer the empiricism there we do not yet in very advanced studies vampirism points us towards irritants it is irritations people often say oh yes TER botanical and often synonymous with irritation of irritation in the lungs then so on then we are also going to use on the flower so we are going to use a flower which is perhaps not necessarily good quality then we’re going to put we’re going to use a small spray of terpen pu we’re going to put some on the flower to give it an impression of quality it’s it’s a shortcut which me but I ae I couldn’t give you to say that I necessarily like it personally as a consumer the law on this in my opinion should be more precise and uh I think we should research more before authorizing that’s it then I think that cannabis itself comes with aromatic bodies you smell it yourself it’s fruit salads that we have in front of us or way of using TERs of the plant as such instead of going there then having to create slightly artificial flavors what is the situation currently in Quebec with these products I think we ban it completely that I think we ban it completely Qubec the flavors in the flavors in the v if we ban the flavors in the v in exactly yeah it’s correct in a certain sense because you know you don’t have to yes we certainly pe the VO as paternalism or other things but I see how certain form of consumer protection good it can be -not be good the pine we use it for as industrial for plastic what is the regulatory quantity to put in a cannabis product we you we s you what will do in S what will it do irritations DEES bronchiol am I going to have some later because of that these questions ask caution and research souv clearly clearly uh you are directly in then uh I I don’t want to steal scoop either or whatever it is but what do you also think of the particular situation in Quebec of uh the regulations surrounding consumables unlike elsewhere where we can make chocolates from gomises I know that for you it is particularly I that I think that you see the challenge as a challenge to find your own niche to stand out precisely but what do you think in general of this situation? I think that you Quebec tends to choose a little what will be precisely this this articulation edible at the beginning he didn’t want it feels the State didn’t want edible to equalize it we had to define it differently I think it’s perhaps a little too cautious because it doesn’t allow it yet it’s not that I accuse of reluctance at all it is really simply the State the party in power which has a certain form of reluctance in relation to certain types of product definition of product I think that the consumer finds himself read to a certain extent where in the majority of Canada Canada’s edible industry represents between 15 and 22% of cannabis sales in Quebec we are at 3 to 4 weeks the remaining 20% ​​is the illegal world which is currently doing it you know is not necessarily it’s not the fault as I say it’s not the fault of the stakeholders as such directly but at the end of the day the restrictions that are made at the level of the ingredients affect it so that it puts pressure on ‘money in people’s pockets should not necessarily be that money necessarily I believe that we could tax otherwise we could tax more with our not tax more we could have more tax revenue if we had a greater diversity of accessible products the consumer would not necessarily need to go and buy products on local sites which come from BC which are not traced we saw several studies come out in Ontario I think there was like 75% of cannabinoid poisonings which have been reported in hospitals in Ontario something like that don’t take my words for C go see the study as such but it was directly linked to shady purchases so the sites we in Quebec are a bit just that’s what he has apart from M the BL products and certain products so bring back this sound are completely correct are beautiful products there it’s the criticism but I think that to diversify I wouldn’t go for that I won’t start to make gomies because it’s not it’s not that Maiche know but but having Gomis would allow there would be room for that because people wouldn’t buy their Gomis on the Internet because it’s like not knowing that the product exists people will find it elsewhere if they want to look for it the person who wants to find it like a jerky or something like that an infused ramen will find it later but the person who wants it will not stop yourself from going to buy it elsewhere then as you say risk being more exposed to poorly dosed products or whatever which are a little more dangerous I will not criticize either there are good products which are do in the gray markets then in other places anyway, you shouldn’t ignore it either but clearly it’s ignorant a market in Quebec I think it should also be as you say taxed then legislate in one direction yes no everything actually because you know we start with traceability we know then we talk about social responsibility it’s it’s the social responsibility of the state of the legalization of cannabis to adequately supervise it I think that this little piece is not be adequately supervised because we leave this in the hands of organizations which are not regulated which are self-regulated then this regulation is not necessarily severe as it must be then each year we will be entitled to the article I would not like media or newspapers but which says for example during Halloween time once again candies with traces of THC found in a child’s bag then each time the packaging is my it’s gray market stuff , legal market stuff that will never have its place, a kind of fake Oreo infused with a fake, a very well-known brand that a child or a parent could confuse or whatever. either or it is the role of the State to outsource these practices because it is not good practice it is not good practice what are the tools proposed for the outsourced but they are not very fruitful these tools there because yes indeed I have the right to put my products on the market because depending on the legislation I would have offered products like that because it was the ethics of the products that I wanted to bring you know that makes sense for me to bring these products there but at the end of the day there is a large portion of the population which is probably 20% of the 20% of cannabis consumption in Quebec which is done through edibles excuse me through interlop circles it’s a bit of a shame because there can be great businesses that do that in Quebec to have great businesses that work the I vegan know in a context of shape who who who who fit with the state of form who who who who reflects the social responsibility of the State I heard through the branches of a popcorn a rocket it’s true that yeahp rocket we work in parallel on that I would say parallel it’s not like not not a center not a focus we’re going we’re going we’re going the sqdc it won’t come to Quebec that to Quebec that not for right away at least we’re going it’s going to go towards English Canada it’s going to go towards a partnership precisely with with different groups local and outside the province but yes yes it’s interesting but we are working on different types of innovation at the food level currently we know we are going to continue to work in fruits we would very much like to bring a diversification of the shape of the format and flavors to the Quebec because we think that growth could be incremental as we say incremental which will grow will cannibalize the current growth because we see very clearly 3% of edibles in Quebec 20% elsewhere there is a lot of room for improvement that we I think I’ll be able to diversify the sector but yeah, pop could be interesting, although it hasn’t been accepted here, fortunately why else, well, we talked, I mean, I really want to, I don’t want to rap, we ‘ve been here for a long time or whatever. either we said a little more but we talked about lots of things are there things that you haven’t discussed that you would like to tell us stories that you feel that ahen I have to tell that that worth it ah well it’s sure that you know I experienced differences I say in terms of topical cannabis we don’t talk much because we eat a lot today maybe a little digression on topical cannabis because the rest of us the 25% the creams the bath stools are products that others we do know that we do me I have always been doing M when I was when I was assisting in the formulation of groups of patients at the time a one of my roles was to extract cannabis, show them how to extract it, then formulate it into creams to treat chronic pain. For 15 years I have been developing creams, salts, bath bombs, different products for patients in the mainly patients and unfortunately in Quebec we are not allowed to sell topical cannabis the reasons are still unscientific to me today but hey we will perhaps see it happen one day but yeah let’s talk a little bit about topical cannabis precisely me I have a little story of a fun trip to the Philippines when I was in a tribal village context in the north of the island of Louson which is the main island of the Philippines I had worked I was a cook in done there I cook BFF for the group I hurt myself removing a bag of tubers gen big potatoes I take a tarau something like that then it’s the first time it was the first time in my life that I used topical cannabis a woman who arrived Anita whose name was she used a beef Grot which mixed with ha then lemongrass it smelled it didn’t smell very good but it wasn’t g you know I was in pain, I was still in very pain you know then she came to see me arrived with her big buff chis big buff explained afterwards but she took my hand then she explained to me a a little bit what was it you know then she felt me ​​then you massage the hand like such then for me it’s the first time that I interacted with that then again there I ask myself a lot of questions why we haven’t done it yet in Quebec that because you know God knows that like me all these patients there that I have that I assisted in the it’s Quebec women there you know who use the medical market today obviously who who who who have access to that but my god I would like my my grandmother to have access to my cream know her friends too then I would also like to mention me I was raised by these women there my grandmother my two grandmothers my mother who have been I have seen this struggle there know of chronic pain of constant struggle in in in life then I think that we could bring a certain form of lightness you know to the world by authorizing products which are which are Benin which are non-toxic there you know we are talking about it is less dangerous of the Tiger bomb because the Tiger bomb it’s burning you, it’s not really I don’t understand yet what it is maybe a little editorial I’m not yet ready to go and fight like I fought for edible cannabis for topicals because obviously our plates are full in several senses today but but at the end of the day yeah it was it’s something that I find which still does there which which Quebec consumer is read because we make small body bars bars of mango whipped with CBD santc with SAP m oil from Quebec Vand oil from Quebec are whipped at home with our machines that we made ourselves you know and we would like that only it’s from the hands of Quebecers it’s going to be through M it’s through different medical groups but as I say access to these products at the recreational level should be should be yes thank you very much oh I’m looking for a ha there is maybe the little worm in the middle B or the worm by also it’s the same thing worm by take this prepare the DESS people if you have any questions don’t hesitate to post them in the chat yet it’s time j I have a good one here from El Grosso the name twitch m people it’s great uh a little more technical question but where does the name gayanica come from then can we have an idea of ​​the turnover the right to skip or do rebounds, the turnover is constantly changing at the moment I can’t really commit to a figure because we are in the middle of launching I am very proud to say we are launching in Alberta at the moment we are launching in Ontario in the yukong we are going to launch a new eco very soon and so on but good start and effectiv in terms of turnover I will keep myself a little but gayanica comes in fact my partners who are Philippe bonnet Sébastien bonnet which are the big food which have like desines of pesto of juice and so on they always had names linked to DS GIA ga it was gaios Go gay so on their company name then when I arrived in the group the name GIK was precisely the name which had already been selected for their cannabis project which precisely referred to this to G the earth you know as such then ik to make a kind of of a somewhat Latin purpose you know which recalls cannabis as such then after that really the brands that we develop like jubl but dubl jubilation jubilé fight know celebration a little bli in fact bli was because the word jubl looked too much like jujud so that for the sensitivity precisely of the Quebec state so we had to remove the juu and use B simply then that allowed us in fact to but but I would do it again today in the sense that regardless of of this request there I am happy to have done it in fact this MOV there because that the insular nature of Quebec which ensures that we have certain dou and don of things that we can do and things that we cannot do to ensure that with jubl which is my brand which is a brand distinct from B I have I can have different activations different products different narratives that I could perhaps not have in Quebec as such at least now that I could potentially have one day in Quebec but the narrative of jubl not even more educational than narrative of B you know we have an Instagram with Ju B we are we do yoga in Ontario we do we do music festivals know we do things that are very brand which go really well with the product which go really well with the type of product consumption tis that B it allows me to keep it in a just really insular way like an exclusively Quebec brand made basically know at the start what was potentially seen as a frustration at the level of my board to have to create two brands because it’s expensive to create brands now seen as quite beneficial I thought it was wise for you to do it like that I would do it like that that something particular about Quebec also for full aspect I find in cannabis I could just talking about the aspect of medical cannabis in Quebec compared to Mendo I could do a whole podcast on that having access to good products precisely the medical SDC but yeah or I understand what you mean compared precisely to doubling the brand then to see I have the impression that with your personality in any case you see it as a stimulating challenge more than as something frustrating yeah because me when I saw M the framework respective ones that we helped define with the Quebec Edible Cannabis Council. I saw that as an incentive for creativity . bâon d’rou you know but at the end of the day we have a given CRE I have the right to sell edible cannabis legal in Quebec it’s a gift there it’s a big gift for someone who has sold of â behind the convenience stores you know these thingsl you know I saw it as being an interesting challenge then I saw it as being collaborators who wanted to define it with me with us then that’s what happened pu who ensures that today we have these beautiful products then we have the Quebecers who love what we offer then thank you for real because we know we fought to have it but we don’t want the fertile TER for that we get there then we the code is finished it’s not easy it’s not easy I think we must have sent around twenty recipes to the different directors at that time but it’s the end of the day he was receptive he tasted he said that the shape you good but not good then today we have a B brand in Quebec which is wild blueberries from du lac queill in hand you know lavender that’s a question precisely who I didn’t want to forget thank you for reminding me but I’m starting to walk around making visits having made several we com we understand the concept of ok a product cannabis as such the flower the process of growing it having of m make clones dry it cure it just the fact that some producers were confronted with that the first time ah I thought that once harvested I could sell it directly no you have to dry it you Fass C in short uh but the process for making consumable products like what you do development research can you take us through what it was what the process was exactly it’s super interesting for someone who is trying to do this product but me it’s my it’s my hobby me jeis I product developer what I like as in all the hats that I wear this is the hat that I prefer developing products initially it always talks about identifying its target that’s why we worked very hard with lake to identify the target once you have identified it is to say a regulatory target where I’m going Quebec my what are the regulations Quebec on the one hand what can I do what can I not do because I start developing recipes before knowing that I waste my time for a long time it is defining the terrain of game understand the playing field understand the stakeholders who are the players why how what are the rules help define the rules they are not defined good old do your research do your research do your research then you know be sure where is you line up the stakeholders are there the SDC asks G with these people with us to know what we want to do you know let’s use the tools that are there that’s on the one hand defining the target I ‘m talking about target currently but my target my there I’m developing fruit bites like this but I’m sure for Ontario you know fact that there we are we it’s okay they asked me Ontario its you are full of fruit there it’s really cool your concept we like it it’s without juice it’s without C without that without without gluten without without without allergen so on without chemical intran are you able to do what like that but like sourette who could like compete with the I sourette you know done there we are going towards that fact that there they helped me to define a target fact that there I have a target in my head there that ‘is the sourness of the mango you know the mango is the fun sourness but think about it yes it’s not worse I have a target I have defined my target there I’m stepping back from this target there for me I just work with raw intr you know I work raw extract for me that’s something that I am non-negotiable no matter the target that is defined for me if it doesn’t work with my narrative of being raw then what I do in my factory then my my values ​​but I I would not go by this targetel I will continue to try to tac my my interlocutor to define for me a target which will reinforce my values ​​fa there I will have the a well the Z and the a I’m going to have the target then I’m going to have my Inter which fits with my target then how I get there that’s the process of r process of r is to say how I succeeded to reach my target by maintaining my values ​​without compromising my Supply Chain I know where my blueberries are grown I know where my apples are grown you know it’s important for me to know that I wouldn’t do anything other than that know I wouldn’t do it otherwise I wo n’t do otherwise because that’s not what I want to do, I have the luxury of doing something that I like and then I have the luxury of having consumers who give lots of love you know the end of the day in this research process to make these fruit bites there I think I have reached my A Z its mouthfuls oh wow what a beautiful segouet magnificent look at me I will give you the presentation thank you my dear we have two types of T fruit bar in there if I’m not mistaken three types wow we have the blue lavender apple matcha and lemon non coconut vanilla coconut vanilla exactly I put in crumble on the corked of the two other bars then you have a scoop of vanilla ice cream and a scoop of th MAA ice cream with a drizzle of red reduction of stockings oh my really thank you very much chef it’s a small bar that you could call a fruit bar normally g can eat it just like that we have fun because we get a little pissed off by putting it a little in mode but be small product a little bit we use ginger cinnamon apple mouth also it really comes with lecha avecalsam vraentellente id me I already like the bites like that I think it’s very I’m going to go for the full cliché not hip or anything but very plain granola sense you’re not eating too much sugar also the texture is correct just for that to develop a product physically speaking how much time can it take to arrive you think of something then finally we have a little B like that on our plates it can take several Moisant if I already have defined my a and my Z therefore my target and who my amount therefore my my my spectrum it can take several months but it will really depend on the nature of our product we really work from the raw we really work in the formulation of the product it -itself is inspired as I said by the majune fact that the formulation itself is not necessarily complex because as you see if you turn my sachet of our sachets of barord we really see the ingredients it is all natural it it’s very simple there are not many ingredients we remain very simply done the complexity aspect of formulation it is not necessarily super present although here it is really in the little spices that we are going to use to trigger what ‘we call the specific effects made here the Macha the ginger the cinnamon it’s not a coincidence that we put that in you know we want to reproduce or maybe a little bit the effect of apple flavor from apple pie but the cinnamon and ginger triggers digestion which promotes the bioaccessibility of our molecules also you know we put pepper in the Sal au Buet we put Espelette pepper in the cherry one we work with spices we work with different food sciences to bring that FA the complexity in our product that’s what will take several months to develop because we will be able to properly match our HF spectrum we want wants to taste it but we don’t want people to taste the F spectrum like you’re not tasting at the momentf spectrum you taste fruits you taste spices you taste aromas then that’s really due to an organoptic match so we really have worked to see what was the physico-chemical composition of our oil what was the physico-chemical composition of our foods this is what we call molecular somellery you know I am a little disciple of a man we call François Chartier who is one of the greatest sommelliers in the world twice, I think once again, he wrote several books on what we call molecular sommellerie which is the match we say sommelier because we think of alcohol but I really tell you the aromatic adequacy between different aromatic molecules as we are here and that’s what we do in our in our food products so we try to put the aromatic molecules of cannabis without removing them because that we do not purify our extract we do not filter it it is a raw extract and we try to match it well with a product it can take several months between one and the other and that is without mentioning the development of the brand because developing a brand choosing the colors choosing the letter shapes all that we do all that internally a small team then but we have pride the chili pepper I drew it at Christmas pent on the bag of chili make a mark myself Chili a mark I made I went to see my neighbor I went to buy his honey I went to draw I went to write Chili drawing a chili we chose colors we did it all internally with a great pride besides know but it also takes a certain time in addition to the formulation of the product you find partners you design machines to make edges like that you will use precisely technologies which already exist in the food industry which can mix your comment as you say full full exa yes indeed in fact doneengineering does food engineering also at the end of the day we designed consultation designed my factory currently done we have a shed that we destroyed quite a few walls and we designed what we wanted depending on the production flows we knew that we wanted to make the Z the a and the have already defined because we did the research and development in parallel with the infrastructural development of our installations so yes in fact we designed we did it with engineers also to give ourselves an idea of ​​how to optimize we also worked with the how to say with different centers different research centers in Montreal different research centers in Laprocatière too to be able to clearly define what were the technological technology selections necessary to do it at the end of the day we have a chopper we have an extruder we have a conveyor then actually we make like a food production line for a classic consumer product on the other hand, keeping in mind a dispersion of active Pharma ingredients, it is really like a pharmaceutical factory that we have because we are working with an active molecule which must be constantly very stable traced in very precise scales we have a analytical laboratory within the factory with HPC therefore analytical elements which allow us to monitor our production in real time because we do the extraction the development of edible products the development of food products to also ensure that it didn’t of degradation could say games or that follows a degradation that we want in Laich knows like me my I test it every month I still have surprises today it’s been 20 years I no longer know I have surprises every weeks every week again I will have surprises people will have surprises after me it will evolve I remind you if you have any questions ask them before we will bring it all up on our side I think we have already taken a lot of very good time thank you again to goldo behind and all that I have that at least give you the opportunity also to express yourself on what would be your wish for the future or for example what are your projects that you are currently working on then which are close to your heart and you want it to move forward you would like people to be a little enlightened on the subject, that’s for sure me which is very close to my heart you know because I’m very close to my grandmother and then everything that’s my muses, she’s the one who inspired me to make a lot of my creams, a lot of my bathrooms, she’s the one who used my products who encouraged me to continue because it treated a lot of their pathology then of the different words I would very much like to be able to ensure that cannabis goes to geriatric centers you know I would very much like to be able to ensure that we assist our elders much better I think that ‘we have molecules that can change lives there you know the loneliness of our elders it’s terrible it’s horrible sometimes people who don’t necessarily have social safety nets or families like my grandmothers we also you know at the end of the day I think that one of the battles that I too would like to lead in my life, I know, is also geriatric tourism in the sense of offering spa centers or happy people to come in an affordable way to come and undergo treatments which lead them to have better circulation of relaxation because God knows that these people concretely what would never be of my grandmother or my mother or something there is a cannabis theme in addition to yeah could it’s not necessarily psychotropic it would really be alg coatings with CBD CBD hammams not necessarily there I was talking about geriatrics too but I think that the cannabis spot is something which will be born which will be very popular one day because we are going to have very interesting holistic treatments where we use vaporizations of nebulizations of different interesting molecules as we do now you have a B vapor filled with bergamot there you interact your central nervous system with bergamoten there is oil from its broumier your central nervous system interacts with pinen ALP alpha and B pinen stimulating bronchodilator you have all kinds of things you already have that which currently exists which is vaporized you at the end of the day I think that one day we will be able to modulate all of that well, then I don’t necessarily say yet in a psychotristic way. I talk a lot about CBD, CBG, CBN, at the limit, which is a little bit psychotropic, too, I’m really seeing someone who arrives in a center which can follow a massage therapy treatment of it can even be yoga it can be different types of ways of proceeding then of taking medication then guides because God knows that people need guides need to know how to use these products then the rest of us try to provide ways of doing it but you know we don’t have the good education and media that we have preventing us from bringing that, you know, that’s for sure ‘an ideal world would be in which we would take care of our people on what we do not much I think we could do it much better with products also I say not givechat your grandmother could go away I don’t know what I’m saying that at all so I agree I mean for working in the medical industry a little more the number of times now that I hear it whether it’s from a veteran of an AE or someone who has never experienced cannabis which still arrives with the idea of ​​just it’s the drug addicts who com no no a a CBD oil with CBN to help you sleep which will you which will remove you to remove you but you you’re moving away from a pill or an opioid or something like that or a good CBG oil for example for the day that’s going to take you away from a painkiller or whatever there are so many options me I I hear testimonials from people who tell me I haven’t slept so well in 8 years yeah after trying CBN oil for the first time then stopping taking other pills clearly clearly succeed in also having topical products the creams and all that should be a goal, it should be something that we are all working on basically but it’s the role it’s our role as an industry to push that you know me JEE my father who has took cannabis for the oil for the first time in his adulthood you know in thcbd oil he woke up in the same position that he went to bed then didn’t tell me that he slept like that then that he was on his back well then know today he chooses his tourist destinations based on whether he is able to take his little cannabis hilum because he wants to sleep you know then we shouldn’t have to VI with pain when the only option is an opioid addictive which will know how to scrape our kidneys our times all that suron is vulnerable we are older we lived we built Quebec in which we are trying today its momentary I think that I also wish to have a global world cannabis will be legal where people will be able to transcend borders where we will be able to import export then the concept of sport to also come back to this which I find to be a very good idea I was a little skeptical when I started working at mend on sells something which is for not the C Stuart farm which makes bath bubbles or I was so surprised who it is who buys this or whatever and it is one of the best sellers it is a product on which ones we have the most good comments to the extent that it is good for people who suffer from arthritis pain or things like that I repeat we each have a different system then it can be good for certain people it can be something that will be less effective also for others but not clearly the idea of ​​a bath precisely of a spa with the combination precisely of certain TH molecules of cannabis I would say of the complete plant plus other things as you spoke there has something to do clearly yeah then that’s the natural line that’s where we’re going to go that’s the evolution if we didn’t have this prohibition key there it would already be something that would be in place I think because I feel it goes with well-being we talk about wness we talk about well-being it’s these creams there it’s this one it’s that we Ori I I rap that because it has to end but it reminds me exactly of when we smoked joints in our twenties when I was coming out of the SJ in theater that we had the impression of TR ch of remaking the world of just imagining what ‘we wanted for the future then our country then whatever pu well it was really an interesting conversation I think everyone in the chat also on twitch appreciated it’s it’s definitely like the people are the people some questions that came up once in a while I say a big thank you also a good round of applause I hope I can I Laer leot at the end thank you very much very much very much we say with youis really educate you we will go thank you very much